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JOURNAL OF HOBTICUIiTUEB AND COTTAGE GABDENEE. 



[ October 1, 1874. 



list there are over fifty Koses — sufficient to show what are 

 considered the best Roses in the two divisions. 



South. — Higlicnt possible, 29. 



f Alfred Colomb 



J Marechikl Niel 



1 Charles LefebTre 



^ Madame Rothschild 



f Marie BaamaDn (5) 



La France 



Loais Van Houtte 



Madame Victor Verdier 



ComteB8e d'Oxiord 



Etienne Levet (lOj 



John Hopper 



^Dnke of Edinhnr^h 



Mdlle. Eogt^uie Verdier 



f Francois Michelon 



t Marqalse de CastellaQe ( L5) . . 



Devooiensis 



S^ateor Vaisse 



Pierre Notting 



Marguerite de St. Amand .... 



Mdlle. Marie Eady (20) 



' Xavier OUbo 



Dr. Andry 



SoQveoir d'un Ami 



Camille de Kohaa 



Ferdinand de Lesseps (25). . . . 



( Gloire de Dijon 



\ Camille Bemardin 



Soavenir d'Elise 



{Emilie Hausbarf; 

 Catherine Mermet (30) 

 Edward Morrea 



Dapuy-Jamaln 



Madame Willermoz 



Abel (irand 



(Exposition de Brie (35) 

 Paul Neron 

 Madame George Schwartz . . 

 i Maurice Bemardin 

 Madame C. Wood 

 NiphetoB (40) 



f Horace Vemet 



] Victor Verdier 



( Souvenir de Malmaiaon 



\ General -Tacquerainot 



(Fisher H .Imes (45) 

 Duke of Wellington 

 Madame Cl'-mence Joigneaux 

 Ducheese dd Cajlos 

 Beauty of Waltham 

 Belle Lyonnaise (50) 

 Celine Forestier 



North. — Highest possible, 9. 



Alfred Colomb 9 



Marechal Niel 9 



Charles Lefebvre 9 



Madame Rothschild 9 



Marie Eaumann (5) 9 



La France 9 



Louise Van Houtte 9 



Madame Victor Verdier 9 



Senateur Vaisae 9 



Xavier Olibo iW) 9 



Qloire de Dijon 9 



Ciimte-iBe d'Osford 



j John n ipper 8 



Duke of Edinburgh 8 



j Etienne Levet (15) 8 



■] Fraui,oi-i Michelon 8 



Vietor Verdier 8 



Dr. Andry 8 



I Pierre Notting 8 



( Mdlle. Eugenie Verdier (20). . 7 



j Marquise de Castellane 7 



I Devuniensis 7 



V Marguerite de St. Amand. ... 7 



r Mdlle. Marie Rady 6 



1' Souvenir d'un Ami (25) 6 



Emilie Hansburg 6 



Dupuy-Jamain 6 



Exposition de Brie 6 



Maxiriec Bemardin 6 



. Horace Yernet (30) B 



(^ Mons. Noman 6 



Ferdinand de Lesseps 5 



Abel Grand 5 



Souvenir de la Malmaisou. .. . 5 



Fisher Holmes (35) 5 



Mdlle. Therese Level 5 



Annie Laxton 5 



Lyonnaise 5 



f Souvenir d'Elise 4 



Catherine Mermet (40) 4 



Paul Nerrn 4 



Mailame Lacharme 4 



Duke of Wellington 4 



Comtespe de Chabrillant 4 



Duchesse de Caylus (45) 4 



Lord Macaulay 4 



, Duchesse de Momy 4 



I Boule de Neige 3 



I Madame G. Schwartz .3 



Camille de Rohan (50) 8 



■ Niphetos 3 



LiBlia 8 



Fifty-one in all. I Madame C. Joigneaux 3 



I VKeynolda Hole 3 



Fifty-four in all. 



Those on the north side in italics are the Roses that appeared 

 to do well in the colder regions, the proportion of their votes 

 from the north being mainly the cause of their position in the 

 general list. Comparatively speaking, Annie Laxton, Lyon- 

 naise, and Boule de Neige have the greatest proportion of votes, 

 as, although the southern voters are more than three to one, 

 yet the northern votes are half their total. Madame Lacharme, 

 it wUl be noticed, stands well as to its northern votes. Due 

 de Rohan does not hold the position that the list from Morpeth 

 suggests. North gives only one vote out of the four it re- 

 ceives : this is the fair proportion — one in four. It will be 

 noticed in the southern list that only four Roses obtain the 

 highest possible number of votes, whilst in the north no less 

 than eleven Roses obtain this enviable position, and amongst 

 these is one Rose — Gloire de Dijon, which in the general list 

 is not even in the first twenty ; and Xavier Olibo stands nine- 

 teenth in the twenty, that Rose also obtaining the full number 

 of votes from the north. 



I have also thought it might interest some of our readers to 

 Bee how many of those Roses, which by the general voting have 

 obtained the twenty highest positions on the poll, are named 

 by each of the thirty-eight voters in their twenty best. Mr. 

 Burrell heads this list by naming in his selected twenty, 

 seventeen Roses. Rev. A. Cheales, Messrs. Cragg, R. Smith, 

 and Hintou respectively name sixteen each. Messrs. Quen- 

 nell, Cranston, Davison, Turner, Mitchell, Walter, and Cooling, 

 name fifteen each. Rev. C. P. Peach, and Messrs. J. Scott, 

 H. Bennett, B. R. Cant, Curtis, and Fraser respectively note 

 fourteen; Messrs. Robson, Mayo, Curtis, Ellis, Kwing, and 

 Dorbin, thirteen each ; Revs. J. B. Camm and E. N. Pochin, 

 and Messrs. Harrison, twelve; Rev. R. N. Milford, and Messrs. 

 Tapner, Davis, and Prince, eleven ; Revs. {G. Arkwright, H. 

 Dombrain, W. F. Radclyffe, and Mr. R. W. Beachey, ten ; 

 Messrs. Burley and May, nine each; and Mr. W. Wheeler, 

 seven. I do not think from this list that locality has much 

 eSect on the issue. 



Curiously enough, in last week's number Mr. Radclyffe rather 

 answers my remarks on the four Roses that have lost position 

 by a single vote. He omits Marie Baumann, and gives his 

 reasons. I cannot put myself against his authority, still I 

 cannot help urging all beginners to try Marie Baumann, and 

 then discard it if they can. It is truly a magnificent Rose, 

 and though a weak grower, and hanging down its head, yet 

 few Roses can show such a lovely countenance. It is not 

 weak everywhere. I have shoots from the bottom this year 

 over 3 feet — not amiss for a weak grower; and certainly with me 

 more than several — to wit, Baronne do Maynard and Felix 

 Genero, Roses which Mr. Radclyffe has in his list. I am 

 anxious to lessen slightly, if I can, the stigma thus placed on 

 Marie Baumann, and therefore I urge for it everywhere a 

 fair trial. I feel convinced that of the thirty-eight voters, 

 three-fourths would name it in the first ten. — Joseph Hinton, 

 Warminster. 



P.S. — Since writing above, I have received a letter of thanks 

 from a gentleman who regrets the omission of Madame Vidot. 

 That Rose has, however, been named four times, twice by 

 amateurs — viz., Messrs. Qaennell and Curtis, and twice by 

 nurserymen — viz., Messrs. Cranston and R. Smith. This is a 

 further drop since 1872. I then made a few remarks on this 

 Rose, which in former years I have seen grown by others most 

 beautifully, especially by Mr. Durbin, of Eaglishcombe Rosery, 

 near Bath. Greatly to my own disappointment, I can do 

 little with it. Most of the white and blush Perpetuals have 

 apparently a weakaess of constitutional power which unfits 

 them for the great wear and tear of Rose life, exquisitely beau- 

 tiful as they are. I know no more beautiful Rose blooms, it 

 well grown, than Madame Vidot, Mrs. Rivers, Madame Neman, 

 Mdlle. Bonnaire, Louise Magnan, and Marquise de Mortemart. 

 All are beautiful, and all, alas ! are tender. Madame Roths- 

 child, as a blush, is an exception. 



I have also received a note from Mr. Radclyffe, adding the 

 raisers' names to some of the Roses. I gratefully acknowledge 

 this help, and now add them. I think this suggestion of Mr. 

 Peach's has been admirable. 



Camille Bemardin (Gautreau), Maurice Bemardin (Granger), 

 Gfioeral Jacqueminot (Rousselet), Jules Margottin (Margottin), 

 Madame Willermoz (Lacharme), Marquise de Gibot(DeSansal), 

 Centifolia Rosea (louvais), Marquise de Mortemart (Liabaud), 

 Mdlle. M. Dombrain (Eug. Verdier), Souvenir d'un Ami (Belot 

 Defongere).— J. H. 



Subjoined are the lists of the amateurs' votes, those of the 

 nurserymen will be given next week. 



Mr. J. Ellis, Harpley, Brandon, Nor/olk.^l, Alfred Colomb ; 2, Man-chal 

 Niel ; 3, Charles Lefebvre ; 4, Comtesse de Chabrillant ; 5, Duke of Edinburgh ; 

 it, Franguis Michelon ; 7, La France; 8, Louis Van Houtte; II, Madame Victor 

 Verdier; 10, Madame Rothschild; 11, Madame Charles Wood; 12, Xavier 

 Olibo; 13, Gloire de Dijon ; 14, Reynolds Hole; 15. Pierre Notting ; 16, Marie 

 Baumann; 17, Lyonnais; 18, Etienne Levet ; 10, Maurice Bernardm; 20, 

 Beauty of Waltham. — 21, Dupuy-Jamain; 22, .\onie Laxtou ; 2:3, Anna de 

 Diesbach; 24, Baron Bonstetten ; 25, Captain Christy ; 2o, Dr. Andry; 27, 

 Exposition de Brie; 28. Ferdinand de Lesseps; 29, Fisher Holmes ; 30, Gloire 

 de Santenay ; 31, Le Havre ; 32, John Hopper ; 33, Jules Margottin ; ^4, Lord 

 Macaulay; 35, Madame Willermoz; 30, Madame Lacharme; 37, Madame 

 Hippolyte Jamain ; 38, Mdlle. Marie Rady; 39, Camille de Rohan; 40, Victor 

 Verdier; 41. Senateur Vaisse; 4', Adam; 43, Cheshunt Hybrid; 44, Devoai- 

 ensis; 45, Madame Faloot; 46, Niphetos; 47, Souvenir de Paul Neron; 

 48, Souvenir de Malmaisou ; 49, douvenir d'un Ami ; 50, Souvenir d'Elise. 



Mr. M. Davis, Oldtand Common, Bristol.— I. Alfred Cilomb; 2, Marechal 

 Niel; 3, Charles Lefebvre ; 4, La France; 5, Catherine Mermet; 6, Perle de 

 Lyon; 7, Devoniensis; S.Niohetos; 9. Souvenir d'un Ami ; 10, David Pradel ; 

 11, Camille Bemardin; 1'2, Bjule de Neige ; 13, Dupuy-Jamaiu ; 14, Comtesse 

 d'Oxford; 15. Emilie Hausburg; 16, Etienne Levet; 17, Mai-ie Baumann; 

 18, Louis Van Houtte; 19. Marie Kady; '20, Pierre Notting.— 21, Souvenir 

 d'Elise ; 22, Souvenir de Paul Neron ; 23, Souvenir de Malmaison ; 24, Madame 

 Bravy; 25, Madame Jules Margottin; 26, Madame Willermoz; 27, Madame 

 Victor Verdier; 28, Madame Rothschild; 29, Mdlle. Bonnaire; 30, MdUe. 

 Eugenie Verdier; 31, Mario Van Houtte; 32. Gloire de Dijon; 33, Celine 

 Forestier; 31, Abel Grand; 35, Anna de Diesbach; 36, Antoine Ducher; 

 37, Beauty of Waltham; 38, Duke of Edinburgh; 39, Edouard Morren ; 

 40, Exposition de Brie; 41, Ferdmand de Lesseps; 42, Francois Michelon; 

 43, General Jacqueminot; 44, John Hopper; 45, Marguerite de St. Amand; 

 46, Nardy Frtres; 47, Camille de Rohan; 48, Princess Beatrice; 49, Stnateox 

 Vaisse ; 50, Vicomte Vigier. 



Mr. J. MiYo, Corn Market Street, Oxford— 1, Alfred Colomb; 2, Marie 

 Baumann; 3, Marechal Niel; 4, Charles Lefebvre; 5, Madame Rothschild; 

 (!, Louis Van Houtte; 7, Madame Victor Verdier; 8, Madame Hippuljte 

 Jamain; 9, Mdlle. Eugenie Verlier; 10, Mdlle. Marie Kady; 11, Camille Ber- 

 nardin; 12, Etienne Levet; 1.3, Leopold I.; 14, Dovienne Lamy ; 15, John 

 Hopper; 16, La France; 17, Dr. Andry ; 18, Souvenur d'Elise; 19, Catherine 

 Mermet; 20, Comtesse d'Oxford.— 21, Baron Bonstetten; 22, Baron A do 

 Rothschild; 23, Comte de NanteuU; 24, Edouard Morren ; 25, Emilie Hans- 

 bur"; 26, Exposition de Brie; 27, Ferdinand de Lesseps; '28, FrancoiB 

 Michelon; 29, Horace Vernet ; 30 Senateur Vaisse; 31, Xavier Ohbo; 32, Baron 

 clonella; 33, Triomphe do Bennes; 34, Belle L.vonnaiBe; 85, Devoniensis; 

 36 souvenir d'un Ami; 37, Niphetos; 38, Le Havre; 89, Madame George 

 Schwartz; 40, Madame Laurent; 41, Mdlle. Therese Levet; 42, Marguerite 

 de St. Amand; 43, Marguerite Dombrain; 41, Marquise de Castellane; 



