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times he remembered old people telling him that when it 
came to pay out the rope it was time to let the gear go 
and the men would say, “ We’re going to take care of our- 
selves now, never mind the owners.” But that was not the 
case now. They must look after those on shore, not after 
those at sea. But there ought to be a certain limit to that. 
He thought if there were better regulations, and every 
captain had a Board of Trade certificate, they might be 
trusted to say when it was time to let the gear go. At 
the same time, he would allow every man to know what 
his own ship would do best, whether it were a smack or a 
mackerel boat. 
Captain SWINBURNE thought the general style of steam 
trawlers, judging by all the models he saw in the Exhibi- 
tion, were nothing more than the old coast steamers with 
flat bottoms and flat sides, which was not at all the class of 
vessel for a steam trawler, and if they were continued there 
would be the same loss of life or more. 
Mr. HELYARD said the class of ,steamers which they 
had had running for some eighteen years was not 
represented in the Exhibition at all. There was not a 
model like it. 
Captain SWINBURNE said if they wanted to get proper 
fishermen, they must go back to the apprenticeship system. 
There was a great want of harbour accommodation on the 
east coast. He did not know what the Commission had 
said about it, but he knew several places where harbours 
were much wanted, such as Filey, Tees Bay, and Eye- 
mouth. Vessels could always run there from a south-west 
gale. 
Mr. HELYARD said some time ago he wrote a Paper on 
the apprenticeship system, which he sent to the late Mr. 
Buckland. He believed that system was gone, and ought 
