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people all looking at each other, to see what help they 
could get from someone else. 
Mr. ALWARD said he understood Captain Swinburne to 
say that steam-trawlers were unsuited for the purpose, and 
were likely to be the means of loss of life. If that got into 
print it would be a great reflection on a class of vessels 
which they held to be second to nothing afloat as a means 
of catching deep-sea fish. He was quite ready to discuss 
the question on the ground of stability, buoyancy, or any 
other quality which a sea-going vessel ought to propose. 
Admiral MACDONALD said he had been engaged a 
great many years in the preservation of life in connection 
with the Life-Boat Institution, and he did not like the dis- 
cussion to close without a few words with reference toaclass 
which appeared not to have been thought of except in con- 
nection with Captain Read’s lights—he referred to sailors. 
They had been talking about saving fishermen, but sailors 
also needed assistance, and the Exhibition had done the 
best it could to help in that direction. Not only were 
prizes offered for all kinds of things for saving fishermen’s 
lives, and fishing gear, but also for the benefit of sailors 
who went a little further afloat. There was a class of life- 
boats which went from the shore, and there were also 
ship’s life-boats, and several of these had been examined, 
but the jury were not able to pronounce an opinion upon 
them, because they could not do so in a building. He only 
mentioned this lest people should imagine that only one 
class of life-boat had been considered. When on the coast 
of Scotland many years ago, he had occasion to bring life- 
belts in fishing-boats before the Cellardyke fishermen, and 
one of them said, It is really no use taking life-belts in our 
boat, because the only time when any danger happens is 
when «we are running in from the banks, and then they 
