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that through some process unknown to us nature through the 

 Duchess had produced two different apples so near alike that as 

 good an expert as he was could not tell the difference. 



Mr. Philips (Wis.): I want to say in answer to Mr. Kenney's 

 question that the Plumb Cider is more of a spreading tree than the 

 Duchess. That is its appearance. Mr. Wilfert has offered to send 

 me scions of his tree, and I have a neighbor who has some very 

 fine Plumb Cider. I have promised to send Mr. Elliot some scions 

 to try, and I will send them to any other member who wishes to 

 experiment. I wish those that want to try two or three scions 

 would let me know. 



Mr. Richardson : There was a seedling that originated near 

 Winnebago City from which Mr. Harris sent some apples to the 

 pomologist at Washington, and he declared it was an old eastern 

 variety, but I know the tree originated at Winnebago City. 



Prof. Hansen: Every man has a double somewhere in the 

 world. If he was not born a twin, yet there is some one in the 

 world from whom you could not tell him apart. So every apple has 

 its double. Why not? 



Prof. Green : We did not come to this decision without going 

 over this matter very carefully, and the evidence was so conclu- 

 sive, and the evidence of many parties was so positive that we 

 could do nothing else, although, as I say, we went over all the 

 evidence very carefully indeed. We did not want to be unjust, 

 and we felt this way about it: We knew something about the 

 origin of the apple which Mr. Wilfert identified after having lost 

 it. We asked Mr. Wilfert about the shape of the crown* and he 

 said later on, it forms a spreading tree. This about coincides with 

 the Plumb Cider. Then we went over the calyx. Prof. Hansen 

 says the Plumb Cider is very easily identified by the calyx, and 

 he stated what it should be before we cut the apple, that it should 

 be very narrow, and when we cut it we found it just so. It has a 

 large core which corresponds with the Plumb Cider. We felt that 

 Mr. Wilfert had identified it, and that our identification was pos- 

 sibly as good as his. We said, if there are two varieties so nearly 

 alike as this it will not do to introduce it in cultivation, as we could 

 not award a premium not knowing whether there existed any dif- 

 ference. I think the matter had better be taken up next year by 

 some new committee, have them compare it with the Plumb Cider, 

 and then we can come to some definite conclusion, but at present 

 we must take the stand we have taken. 



Mr. M. Cutler : "I will say that although I have been a mem- 

 ber of this association for a great many years it is several years since 

 I have attended any of the meetings. I find there has been quite 

 a change in the membership. When I first attended these meetings 

 I saw nothing but old and middle aged men, but now I see a good 

 many young men. We used to be trying to find out how to raise 

 apples in this state, now they are trying to find the best way of get- 

 ting the apples from the trees and marketing them, so I think we 

 have made great advancement. I hope to meet with you oftener 

 hereafter." 



