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mand. I want to ask if that is the rule at present, and if trees of 

 Hibernal can be obtained ? 



Mr. Harris. My impression is that they can. 



Mr. Gibbs. If they can be obtained I want to give an order for 

 some. 



Mr. Cutler. I think that is a good suggestion. I notice people 

 give their order for something and if dealers cannot fill the order they 

 put in something else. 



Mr. Sias. Last fall Mr. Peterson had them for sale, and I think Mr. 

 Tuttle of Baraboo has them as well as some others in this State. 



Mr. Gibbs. If you recommend varieties for general trial and they 

 are not generally propagated by nurserymen in quantities to meet the 

 demand, why these swindling tree agents will put them on their lists 

 and sell to everybody from whom they can obtain an order, filling it 

 with something else; hence you place the people at a disadvantage 

 when you recommend anything for general trial that cannot be ob- 

 tained true to name. 



President Elliot. We are going to have honest tree peddlers after 

 this. 



Mr. Gibbs. You will pardon me, I have been away two years and 

 I am a planter. 



Mr. Sias. I think this won't have much eflPect on tree frauds the 

 best we can do with it; we don't need to spend much time on that. 

 These agents have their own lists and they are going to recommend 

 and sell them, 



Mr. Brand. I prefer to recommend for planting in limited quanti- 

 ties. Hibernal cannot 'be found 'anywhere 'except in the hands of 

 experts. It has been tried only in favorable localities and for that rea- 

 son should not be recommended for general trial. 



Mr. Gibbs. Pardon me once more. I have reason to believe there 

 is not a bearing tree of Hibernal in the State. Trees usually called 

 Hibernal, for instance those of Andrew Peterson, at Carver, I believe 

 to be Lieby; they have been fully identified as such. Mr. Tuttle is 

 growing true Hibernal, I was the 6rst one to call the attention of 

 this Society to the orchard of Mr. Peterson. 



Mr. Sias. I have both the Lieby and Hibernal. I procured scions 

 from Washington, and have compared them with others. Hibernal 

 is the better tree; Lieby has a low top and more of a spreading habit, 

 and to my mind there is a marked difference in them. 



Mr. Dartt. How many bushels of apples did you ever raise of that 

 kind? 

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