302 MINNESOTA STATE HORTICULTURAL SOCIETY. 
Mr. Perry: The question of boxes came up a year or two 
ago. Now, what we call the short box to-day is the very box 
which is shipped all over the country. It is not dishonest to 
use that box because it is the commercial box by universal 
agreement. There is no other box used to any extent. Of 
course, when parties are dealing in local markets, where they 
are selling by the quart, there is nothing to be said. But if 
you are selling to commission houses right along, you will find 
the short quart is the commercial quart of to day. No other is 
now used. I have got some of the large boxes stored in my 
cellar that I sent south for and could not use, because I could 
not get the crates to ship the boxes in. 
Dr. Frisselle: I have hada little experience in this short 
box business myself, and have made some observations among 
the commission men in the city of Minneapolis. My experience 
is quite the reverse of that of the gentleman who last spoke. I 
have heard commission men say over and over again, ‘‘Here is 
aman (calling him by name) whose fruit is always to be de- 
pended upon. It is the same in the bottom of the basket and 
box as it is on top. His boxes are always full, and we only need 
to have his name on the crate in order to sell the fruit without 
looking at it.” Thatis the kind of a reputation for a man to 
have. I know of other men who have the reputation of giving 
scant measure always; and I also know that they have difficulty 
in marketing their fruit because it is scant and poor, and put 
up with an idea of humbugging the people and making them 
believe that they were getting good fruit, when they were not. 
I know that that kind of a reputation is not a profitable one, 
and I hope that nobody will -be encouraged to do that sort of 
work. 
Mr. Perry: I think the doctor is a little at fault. He has 
introduced a subject that I did not discuss. Thatis the quality 
and the filling of the boxes. Iwould ask Dr. Frisselle where 
he got his boxes last year—his berry boxes? 
Dr. Frisselle: I bought them of Mr. Smith, in the city. 
Mr. Perry: Then in that case you got the short boxes, as 
we call them. 
Mr. Harris: I have had considerable correspondence with 
different box makers, and they say that they do not send out 
the old boxes any more. Now, in regard to using the short 
boxes I would say that I kept up the practice of sending out 
the old boxes until this season. When I figured up the hund- 
reds and thousands of dollars that I have given the dealers in 
