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or Philadelphia. As to cultivation in young orchards, don’t 
plant within 8 feet of the trees and thus the vines get no shade, 
but the best berries grow where they get a little shade. Proba- 
bly we must go to work with our soils and conditions and each 
ascertain for himself what varieties will do the best. Planting 
in orchard depends also on distance of trees. I planted my first 
trees 16 feet each way. Now I plant 32 feet apart. 
Dr. Twitchell. I plant 8 feet apart each way. 
Mr. Jordon. It is not best to have the raspberry bushes 4, 6 
or 8 feet from the trees. I plant two feet from the trees and 
have trouble with mice. I clean away the grass and mound up 
around the trunk in the fall. 
Mr. Gibbs. How much later is the Turner than the Philadel- 
phia ? 
Mr. Fuller. There is but little difference; the Philadelphia if 
anything is the later. 
Mr. Gibbs. Tt has been claimed that the Turner is the later, 
and I have seen the fruit on the bush in October. 
Mr. Harris. The Turner has a longer season, inasmuch as it 
can be picked a week earlier and a week later than the Philadel- 
phia. 
Mr. Mathews, of Big Stone County. In 1874 I got plants 
from the woods for one-eigkth of an acre, and in 1875 I got Davi- 
son’s Thornless and a yellow variety. The latter produce strong 
and vigorous, but the wild ones have given more berries. Mr. 
Hollister, who saw them, said that the wild ones were regular 
Black-Caps, the seeds of which must have been carried there by 
birds. One-half acre I have not found too much for a family. 
The Philadelphia is not satisfactory to me. It spreads too much. 
Mine is sandy bottom land on Big Stone Lake. Davison’s Thorn- 
less and the yellow varieties have stood the winters well. 
Davison’s Thornless. 
Mr. Jordon. Am satisfied that there are two varieties called 
Davison’s Thornless,—one tender and the other hardy. 
Mr. Sias. My soil and location are like Mr. Jordon’s, appar- 
ently; but a little difference in location makes agreat difference in 
hardiness. My experience with Thornless differs from Mr. Jor- 
don’s, and the fact is due to difference in location. I don’t believe 
in there being two varieties under this name. 
Mr. Dart. I fear the effect of telling of these pertect successes 
with raspberries. Believe locality is everything. Think these 
