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to work and make up a premium list all the way through, including 

 horses, cattle, sheep, bulls, and everything else. But we are just as 

 independent as they are, precisely. We can hold our own fair, and we 

 have the money to do it; and we have the right to do it just as much 

 as they have. But if the thing can be arranged satisfactorily, and we 

 get what is our due, I say go in; if not, stay out. 



Mr. Kellogg. Mr. President, I don't believe in being too gentle in 

 approaching them about this matter. Make up your premium list as 

 high as you think proper, and say that your Executive Committee 

 shall have control of it. If they make their premiums $25 on horses, 

 put that down as the first premium on fruit. 



Mr. Harris. Mr. Kellogg has expressed my ideas exactly. If they 

 don't want our exhibits enough to give fair premiums, let us have a 

 fair of our own. I would rather attend a horticultural fair here in 

 Minneapolis, even if I failed to get a dollar, and know that I stood on an 

 equal footing with the other exhibitors there, than to go into the State 

 fair where the horse and the bull receive a $25 premium, and the ap- 

 ple, which represents the care and attention of twenty years in bring- 

 ing to its present perfection, gets only an insignificant sum of a dollar 

 or t\70. 



Mr. Grould. I think we should take a reasonable view. I think the 

 only thing to talk about is to hold our fair in conjunction with the 

 State fair. There is a larger number of people that contemplate going 

 there than on any other occasion, and they expect, more or less of 

 them, to see all there is to be seen — all of the fruits and products of 

 the State that are worth seeing. Some of them come a long distance. 

 One may go to see the fruits, or perhaps some one kind of fruit; he 

 maybe interested in apples or grapes, another in small fruits; but each 

 one expects to find what he goes to see, and for that reason it aff'ords 

 the greatest and best opportunity for a general ijispection at a State 

 fair. Now, we could have a little one-horse thing of our own. We 

 might get great satisfaction out of it; but the people at large would 

 not see it; it would be out of their reach; they couldn't afford to come 

 from a distance just for that. But they all come one day in order to 

 see the State fair; that is the place that attracts the crowd. Now, I 

 think we may as well drop the idea of exhibiting independently and 

 make the best terms we can with the management. 



Mr. Harris. I don't think we will have any difficulty at all in mak- 

 ing satisfactory arrangements. 



Mr. Gould. I think we had better ofi'er liberal premiums. There 



