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NOTES AND QUERIES. 
[No. 4. 
to make at the time, appeared in the Times 
newspaper, of the 2nd edition of Cottle’s Life 
of Coleridge. 
With many good wishes, for the success of 
your register, 
I remain, &e. JoHN Mimanp. 
DIBDIN’S TYPOGRAPHICAL ANTIQUITIES. 
Sir, — I am very glad to have elicited the 
information contained in your number just 
published respecting the copy of Borde’s 
work in the Chetham Library. As I have a 
great, respect for Mr. Ames, I must remark 
that he had no share in the blunder, and 
whenever a new edition of his work is under- 
taken, it will be well to look rather curiously 
into the enlargements of Dibdin. In the 
mean time this information naturally leads, to 
another Query — or rather, to. more than one 
—namely, “ Had Mr. Bindley’s copy this 
unique imprint ? and what became of it at the 
sale of his books? or is it only one of the ima- 
ginary editions which give bibliographers so 
much trouble?” Perhaps some one of your cor- 
respondents may. be able to give information. 
Yours, &e. 8S. R. Marrianp. 
QUERIES ANSWERED, NO. 2. 
MADOC THE SON OF OWEN GWYNEDD. 
The student who confines himself to a single 
question, may fairly expect a prompt and pre- 
cise answer. To ask for general information 
on a particular subject, may be a less success- 
ful experiment. Who undertakes extensive 
research except for an especial purpose? Who. 
can so far confide in his memory as to append 
his name to a list of authorities without seem~ 
ing to prove his own superficiality? I throw 
out these ideas for consideration, just as they 
arise; but neither wish to repress the curiosity 
of querists, nor to prescribe bounds to the 
communicative disposition of respondents. 
Did Madoe, son of Owen Gwynedd, prince 
of Wales, discover America? Stimulated by 
the importance of the question, and accustomed 
to admire the spirit of maritime enterprise, 
at whatever period it may have been called 
into action, I have sometimes reflected on 
this debatable point—but can neither affirm 
nor deny it. 
T advise the student, as a preliminary step 
to the inquiry, to attempt a collection of 
all the accessible evidence, historical and 
ethnographic, and to place the materials which 
pertain to each class in the order of time. The 
historical evidence exists, I believe exclu- 
sively, in the works: of the chroniclers and 
bards of Wales ; and the ethnographic evidence. 
in the narratives of travellers in America. 
The opinions of modern writers, the gifted 
author of Madoc not excepted, he is at liberty 
to consider as. hors-d’auvre—to be passed on, 
or tasted, a plaisir. As an exemplification of 
this plan, I submit some short extracts, with 
critical remarks : — 
“ Madoc another of Owen Gwyneth his sonnes 
left the land [North- Wales} in contention betwixt 
his brethren, and prepared certaine ships with 
men and munition, and sought aduentures by seas, 
sailing west, and leauing the coast of Ireland so 
far north, that he came to a land vnknowen, where 
he saw manie strange things.’—Carapoc or 
Liancarvan, continued — The historie of Cambria, 
1584. 4°, p, 227. 
[The history of Caradoc ends with a. p. 1156. 
The continuation, to the year 1270, is ascribed by 
Powel, the editor of the volume, to the monks of 
Conway and Stratflur.] 
Carmina Meredith filii Rhesi [Meredydd ab 
Rhys] mentionem facientia de Madoco filio Oweni 
Gwynedd, et de sua nauigatione in terras incogni- 
tas. Vixit hic Meredith circiter annum Domini 
1477. 
Madoc wyf, mwyedic wedd, 
Tawn genau, Owen Gwynedd: 
Ni fynnum dir, fy enaid oedd 
Na da mawr, ond y, moroedd. 
The same in English. 
Madoc I am the sonne of Owen Gwynedd 
With stature large, and comely grace adorned ; 
No lands at home nor store of wealth me please, 
My minde was whole to search the ocean seas. 
“These verses I receiued of my. learned friend 
M. William Camden.” — Richard Hakluyt, 1589. 
[The eulogy of Meredydd ab Rhys is very in- 
definite, but deserves notice on account of its 
early date. He “ flourished,” says W. Owen, “ be- 
tween A.D 1430 and 1460.” ] 
“This land must. needs be some part of that 
countrie of which the Spaniardes aflirme them- 
selues to be the first finders sith Hannos time; 
* * * Wherevpon it is manifest, that that coun- 
trie was long before by Brytaines discouered, 
afore either Columbus or Americus Vespatius 
lead anie Spaniardes thither. Of the viage and 
returne of this, Madoc there be manie fables fained, 
as the common people doo use in distance of place 
