Nov. 24. 1849.] 
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and length of time rather to augment than to 
diminish: but sure it is, that there he was.” — | 
Humrrey Luoyrp, Additions to The historie of | 
Cambria, p. 228. 
[Lhoyd, who translated the history of Caradoc, 
and made considerable additions to it, died in 
1568. He mentions the second voyage of Madoc, 
but cites no authority. ] 
“ Phis Madoc arriuing in that westerne countrie, 
ynto the which he came, in the yeare 1170. left 
most of his people there: and returning backe for 
more of his owne nation, acquaintance and freends, 
to inhabite that faire and large countrie: went 
thither againe with tem sailes, as I find noted by 
Gutyn Owen. I am of opinion that the land, 
wherevnto he came, was some part of Mexico :” 
ete.— David Powel, s.t. p., note in The historie 
of Cambria, 1584. 4°. p. 229. 
[The learned Powel relies on the authority of 
the poet Gutyn Owen. “He wrote,” says. W. 
Owen, “ between s.p. 1460 and 1490 ”—three 
centuries after the event in question! ] 
Ethnographic evidence. 
“They came [anno 1536] to part of the West 
Indies about Cape Breton, shaping their course 
thence northeastwards, vntill they came to the 
Island of Penguin,” etc.— The voyage of master 
mea in The principall navigations, etc. 1589. 
ol. 
[Antiquaries consider the mention of Cape Bre- 
ton and Penguin Island as evidence. It cannot 
prove much, as the particulars were not committed 
to writing till about half-a-century after the 
voyage.] — 
“There is also another kinde of foule in that 
countrey [between the gulf of Mexico and Cape 
Breton]... . they have white heads, and there- 
fore the countrey men call them penguins (which 
seemeth to bea Welsh name). And they haue also 
in vse diuers other Welsh words, a matter worthy the 
noting.’ —The relation of David Ingram, 1568. in 
The principal navigations, etc. 1589, Fol. 
[This, narrative was compiled, from answers to 
certain, queries —perhaps twenty years, after the 
events related. ] 
“Afterwards [anno 1669] they [The Doeg 
Indians] carried us to their town, and entertained 
us civilly for four months; and I did converse 
with them of many things in the British tongue, 
and did preach. to them three times.a week in the 
British tongue,” etc. Rev. Morgan Jones, 1686. 
— British remains, 1777. 8°. 
[The editor omits to state how he procured the 
manuscript. The paper whence the above is ex- 
tracted is either decisive of the question. at, issue, 
or a forgery. ] 
The student may infer, even from these 
imperfect hints, that I consider the subject 
which he proposes to himself as one which 
deserves a strict investigation — provided the 
collections hereafter described have ceased to. 
be in existence. 
“ With respect to this extraordinary occurrence 
in the history of Wales, I have collected a mul- 
titude of evidences, in conjunction with Edward 
Williams, the bard, to prove that Madog must have 
reached the American continent; for the descend- 
ants of him and his followers exist there as a 
nation to this day; and the present position of | 
which is on the southern branches of the Missouri 
river, under the appellations of Padoucas, White 
Indians, Civilized Indians, and Welsh Indians.” — | 
William Owen, F.A.S. 1803. 
The title prefixed to this paper would be a 
misnomer, if I did not add a list of books 
which it may be desirable to consult :— 
On the Scandinavian discoveries. — Mémoires de la 
société royale des. antiquaires du Nord, 1836-1839. 
Copenhague. $°. p- 27.— Historia Vinlandiz Antiqve, 
seu partis Americz: septentrionalis— per- Thormodum 
Torfeum. Havnie, 1705. 8°. 1715. 8°. — Antiquitates 
Americanz, sive scriptores septentrionales rerum Ante- 
Columbiavarum in America. Hafnie, 1837. 4°. 
On the Welsh discoveries. — The historie of Cambria, 
now called Wales—continued by David Powel. Lon- 
don, 1584, 4°. The Myvyrian archaiology of Wales, 
London, 1801-7. 8°. 3 vol. British remains, by the 
Rev. N. Owen, A. M. London, 1777. 8°. The 
Cambrian biography, by William Owen, F-A.S. 
London, 1803. 8°.  Bibliothéque Américaine, par 
H. Ternaux. Paris, 1837. 8°. he principall nayi- 
gations, voiages.and discoveries of the English nation 
—pby Richard Hakluyt, M. A. London, 1589. fol. 
Boiton CoRNEY. 
MADOC——HIS EXPEDITION TO AMERICA. 
Dr. Plott, in his account, and Lord Mon- 
boddo, Origin and Progress of Language, 
refer tothe Travels of Herbert (17th century), 
lib. iii. cap. ult., for a full history of this sup- 
posed discovery. They derived it from Mere- 
dyth ap Rhys, Gaty Owen, and Cynfyn ap 
Gronow, A.D. 1478—80. See also Atheneum, 
Aug. 19. 1848. — Professor Elton’s address at 
the meeting of the British Association, on this 
and the earlier Icelandic discovery. 
The belief in the story has been lately re- 
newed. See Archeologia Cambrens, 4. 65., 
and L’ Acadie, by Sir J. E. Alexander, 1849. 
I will only observe that in Dr. Plott’s account, 
Madoc was directed by the best compass, and 
this in 1170! See M‘Culloch’s Dictionary of | 
Commerce. ANGLO-CAMBRIAN. | 
