JAN. 5. 1850.] 
NOTES AND QUERIES. 
157 
without any printed title, date, place, or publisher's 
name; but in the elaborately engraved frontis- 
piece, which serves as a title, is inserted “ Atlas 
Novus, sive Tabule Geographice, totius Orbis fa- 
ciem, partes, imperia, regna et provincias exhi- 
bentes, exactissima cura juxta recentissimas ob- 
servationes zri incise et venum exposite a Matthzo 
Scutter, Sac. Cas. Majest. Geogr. Auguste Vindeli- 
corum.” It contains 385 maps, plans of cities, forti- 
fications, views of buildings, costumes, and genealo- 
gical tables, chronological notices of popes, kings, 
&e., carefully coloured; and apparently published 
after 1744. It is, in every point of view, a most 
curious and valuable publication; and I am sur- 
prised to find no notice of it in any book to which 
I have referred. W. B.D. D. Turnpurt. 
Miss Warneford and Mr. Cresswell.—In the 
reign of Queen Anne or George I. there was living 
in or about Soho Square a lady of considerable 
fortune, a Miss Warneford; a Mr. Cresswell sought 
to make her his wife. A pamphlet was published 
at the time giving a full account of the affair. Can 
any gentleman favour me with the correct title 
and date of it ? B. 
Beaufoy’s Ringers’ True Guide.—A tract was 
published in 1804 (12mo. p. 24.), entitled The 
Ringers’ True Guide, by 8. Beaufoy. Does any 
reader possess a copy or know where one may be 
seen, or who was the publisher ? 
Hordys — Gold Florens — Kilkenny. — In that 
most curious volume, published by the Camden 
Society in 1843, viz., Proceedings against Dame 
Alice Kyteler, prosecuted for Sorcery in 1324, by 
Richard de Ledrede, Bishop of Ossory, p.14., the 
bishop appears in court before Arnald Le Poer, 
Seneschal of Kilkenny, with the consecrated host 
in his hands, whereon the seneschal irreverently 
commands him to be placed at the bar, “cum suo 
hordys quem portat in manibus.” I have not been 
able to find the word hordys in any dictionary or 
glossary to which I have access. Can you, or any 
of your correspondents, help me with an expla- 
nation of the word? ‘The editor, Mr. Wright, 
takes no notice of it. 
At p. 29. of the same work florens of gold are 
mentioned. Query, was such a coin in circulation 
in England or Ireland about 1324? 
Mr. Wright says, there can be no doubt that 
this is a contemporary narrative of the affair. 
Query, if so, why does the writer term Kilkenny 
a city, “in civitate Kilkenniz,” page 1.? Kilkenny 
was not raised to the dignity of a city till the reign 
of James I., 1609. In all authentic documents 
previous to that date the style “ Villa Kilkenniz ” 
1s used. J.G. 
Germain’s Lips.—Can any of your correspond- 
ents state the origin of the proverb, “ As just as 
Germain’s lips”? It occurs in Calfhill’s Answer to 
Martiall, p. 345. ed. Parker Soc. In the Sermons 
and Remains of Bishop Latimer, published by the 
same society (p. 425.), this phrase is thus ex- 
tended :—‘“ Even as just as Germain’s lips, which 
came not together by nine mile, wt vulgo dicunt.” 
Is it possible that the following words of Bishop 
Barlow can be a various reading or corruption of 
the saying? “ Now heere the Censurer makes an 
Almaine leape, skipping 3 whole pages together.” 
—Answer to a Catholike Englishman, p. 231., Lond. 
1609. R. G. 
[Ben Jonson, in his Devil is an Ass, speaks of — 
“ And take his Almain-leap into a custard ; ” 
which is explained by the commentators as a “ dancing 
leap.” ‘“ Germain’s lips ” is, as it seems to us, a phrase 
quite unconnected with it. ] 
Sir Walter de Bitton.— Sir Walter de Bitton is 
said by Burke in his Commoners, vol. iv. p. 120., to 
have been knighted by Henry III. I shall be 
much obliged to any gentleman who may be able 
to give a reference to authority for such a fact, or 
to any notices respecting the said Sir Walter. The 
date of his death is given 1227. B, 
A Fool or a Physician.—Can any of your readers 
inform me who first had the hardihood to enun- 
ciate, as his own, the proposition, that ‘ After the 
age of thirty, a man is either a fool or a physician?” 
I believe that we owe that saying, as well as the 
beautiful, though now sadly hackneyed, metaphor 
of “the parasitical adoration of the rising, and 
contempt of the setting sun,” the one to the 
shrewd observation, the other to the fancy, of the 
same mind — that of the imperial Macchiavel, Ti- 
berius—‘‘ Let us render unto Cesar the things 
that are Ceesar’s.” — See Tacit. Ann. 6. 46. 
Temple, Dec. 24. 1849. C. Forses, 
Caerphili Castle— The use of the Samolus and 
Selago by the Druids. —Can any Welsh scholar 
inform me of the derivation of the name of Caer- 
phili Castle, near Cardiff? This is the Welsh 
spelling of it; in English it is generally spelt 
Caerphilly. Ihave seen a derivation of it from 
Caer-phiili, the Castle of Haste; but is there such 
a word as phili, or rather pili, in Welsh? Cliffe, 
in his Buok of South Wales, follows a Mr. Clarke, 
in deriving it from Caer-Pwll, the Castle of the 
Pool; but this does not seem satisfactory. Is 
any thing known of the early history of this 
castle? Mr. Cliffe says, “ Daines Barrington, in 
an essay published seventy or eighty years ago, 
attributed the erection of the present structure to 
Edward I. merely because it had been recorded 
that that monarch had passed through South 
Wales; but there is no reason to doubt, after an 
examination of authorities, that Gilbert de Clare, 
the last but one of that name, was the founder, 
