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NOTES AND QUERIES. 



[2>><i S. VI. 13G., Aug. 7. '58. 



Some ten years ago, while walking between 

 Northfleet and Greenhithe, I was accosted by a 

 man in the dress of a sailor, speaking Latin quite 

 fluently. He went on with me, talking and tell- 

 ing his adventures, for some distance, — how he 

 had served under Napier in the Pedroite expe- 

 dition, &c., all which might have been true or 

 false, but telling his story all the time in capital 

 Latin, and with an almost exact English pronun- 

 ciation. I remarked upon that, and asked him to 

 explain. He said he was an Hungarian, but, 

 upon landing in England, had determined to con- 

 form his pronunciation to ours as near as possible. 

 He said there was but little alteration needed, 

 and that in less than a fortnight he talked as he 

 did at the moment he was speaking to me. When 

 we came to a stop I gave him a trifle ; he received 

 it with a " Deo et tibi gratias," adding (I had two 

 companions), " Dominus vobiscum," to which of 

 course I responded, " Et cum spiritu tuo." The 

 gist of which is, he, an Hungarian, spoke Latin 

 like an Englishman ; and, as he said, almost na- 

 tively, which is all I know about Hungarian 

 Latin. O. C, Creed. 



Illuminated Clock (2"'^ S. iv. 387.; v. 57.) — 

 Fronting the qiiai at Havre is a clock dial illumi- 

 nated in a way similar to that over Mr. Bennett's 

 shop in Cheapside, i. e. with the face of the dial 

 dark, and the hours and two revolving bands 

 bright. K. W. Hackwood. 



Plantin Press (2°^ S. vi. 91.) — Does Mr. 

 Staunton know of the list of Plantin books pub- 

 lished at the Plantin Press in 1615 ? It consists 

 of ninety-two pages 12mo., and is arranged ac- 

 cording to subjects : — 



" 1. Theologici et Ecclesiastici. — 2. Utriusque Juris. 

 — 3. Medici. — 4. Histor. et Geogr. — 5. Philosophici, 

 &c. — 6. Poetici. — 7. Grammatici. — 8. Elenchii. — 9. Ve- 

 teres Auctores. — 10. Grace. — 11. Hebraice, Chald., Sy- 

 riac. — 12. Italici. — 13. Hispanici. — 14. Gallici. — 15. 

 Teuton, et Flandic." 



In the same volume I have a Catalogue of 

 Oporinus' books, Basil, 1552 ; and of Calder and 

 Colinseus, Paris, 1546. J. C. J. 



Jtidas Iscariot (2°* S. v. 294. 343.) — I have 

 read, where I know not, that the Armenians, who 

 believe hell and limbo to be the same place, say, 

 that Judas, after having betrayed our Lord, re- 

 solved to hang himself because he knew that 

 Christ was to go to limbo and deliver all rouls 

 which he might find there out of purgatory ; and 

 he therefore expected forgiveness, by being there 

 before him. But the devil, who was more cun- 

 ning than he, knowing his intention, held him over 

 limbo till the Lord had passed through, and then 

 let him fall into hell. 



I shall be glad of any reference to this legend. 



R. W. Hackwood. 



Original Sin C^"-" S. vi. 48.) — The English 

 Church in her ninth article, and the Council of 

 Trent at their fifth session (June 17, 1646), have 

 expounded this doctrine, which Augustin main- 

 tamed as orthodox, against the heresy of Celestius, 

 the Irishman, and Pelagius (= Morgan), the 

 Welshman ; which heresy agitated the whole 

 church in the three continents known at the com- 

 mencement of the fifth century. Prior to this 

 period I do not find the expression peccatvm 

 originale, or, more properly, peccatum originis. 

 Although the work of Augustin, De Peccato Origi- 

 nali (418 a.d.), probably first gave publicity to the 

 term, the doctrine nevertheless existed in the 

 early Church : for, in the second century, Clemens 

 Alexandrinus {Pcsdag. m. xii. p. 262.) says, 



" t!) fXiV "/ip i^afiaprdveiv, Traaiv (^(pvTOi' Kat K0iv6v 



(" for sin is innate and common to all ") ; and 

 Tertullian (Test. Animal, iii.) says, exinde totum 

 genus de suo semine infectum, siub etiam damnationis 

 traducem fecit ; "thence made the whole human 

 race, now contaminated by being sprung from his 

 [Satan's] seed, partakers also of that condemna- 

 tion which befell him." In the time of our Saviour 

 the equivalent expression was, "born in sin," used 

 in the terms of David (Ps. li. 5.), and expounded 

 by St. Paul (Rom. v. 18.) ; but the Jews attached 

 a different meaning to that expression, when they 

 said to the blind man restored to sight, " thou 

 wast altogether born in sin"; assuming, according 

 to their strange doctrine, that he hud actually 

 sinned before his birth (Bereshith Rabba, xxxiv. 

 12. ; Lightfoot and Kuinoel on John ix. 2. 34.) 

 See Waddington's Church History (ii. xi. 176.), 

 and Blunt's Early Fathers (ii. xiii. 585.) 



T. J. BUCKTON. 



Lichfield. 



'■'■ Inter canem et lupum" (2°* S. vi. 70.)— This 

 phrase is not to be restricted to the vesper hour 

 of the Romish church ; it refers to that time of 

 the evening or morning, when, from the dimness 

 of the light, a wolf could with difficulty be dis- 

 tinguished from a dog ; or when — 



" Grey twilight, from her shadowj' hill. 

 Discolours Nature's vernal bloom, 

 And sheds on grove, and stream, and rill, 

 One placid tint of deepening gloom." 



If the Querist, J. W., refers to Adelung's Glos- 

 sariuni Manuale, he will there find the phrase ex- 

 plained and illustrated by other quotations, in 

 voce Canis, sub fine. George Munford. 



East Winch. 



Effects of Inehriety (2°'' S. vi. 90.) — H. gives 

 an epigram on the appearance of Messrs. Pitt and 

 Dundas, " Bacchi plenus, full of wine," from the 

 Morning Chronicle, which I have heard from good 

 authority attributed to Person, who was brother- 

 in-law to Perry, the editor and part-proprietor of 

 that journal. Coleridge wrote in that paper about 



