FUR-SEAL HEED OF ALASKA. 87 



Mr. Elliott. One question more . I understood you to say that you had not been 

 in consultation with Mr. Bowers when he issued his orders for killins; 13,000 seals in 

 1910? 



Dr. ilERRiAM. I do nut think 1 was present at any conference when that mattei" 

 was up. 



III. Dr. Barton W. Evermann, member of Fur-Seal Board. Alaska Seal Fiah- 

 eries, Department of Commerce and Labor (p. (522, Hearing No. lOj: 



Mr. Elliott. 1 know; I have not disputed that, "but 1 want to find wliat you did, 

 on the island. You didn't de anything, you say. 



Dr. Evermann. I didn't say that. 



Mr. Elliott. You didn't weigh or measure a seal on the islands, did you? 



Dr. Evermann. My recollection is that I did not. 



On pages 639, 640, Hearing No. 10: 



Dr. Evermann. Do you know that Mr. Eraser states that the process of dressing: 

 skins instead of stretching them rather shrinks them? 



Mr. Elliott. No; he hasn't said so anywhere. Now, Mr. Lembkey said on page- 

 442 that he had measured a yearling seal — three of them. He says here [reading]: 



"Mr. Lembkey. The length of a yearling seal on the animal would be, from the- 

 tip of the nose to the root of the tail, 39^ inches in one instance and 39J inches in. 

 another 



•'Mr. Elliott. Yes. 



•'Mr. Lembkey. And 41 in another. 1 measiiied only three. 



•'Mr. Elliott. Yes." 



Do you dispute those measurements'? 



Dr. Evermann. I do not dispute them. 



On page 639, Hearing No. 10: 



Mr. Elliott. Now, you can find exactly what was in Mr. Lembkey's mind by turn- 

 ing to page 428, at the bottom of the page [reading]: 



•"The Chairman. What is your answer? 



"Mr. Lembkey. 1 certified that they were all over 2 years with the exception of 

 the negligible few that were taken throTigh accident. 



"Mr. Elliott. In the spring of 1910 you took 12,920 seals. You killed them there 

 under your directioiis, and you took the skins. 



'•The Chairman. Let him answer the question. 



'•Mr. Lembkey. Is that a question or a statement? He is making a statement, as 

 I understand it. 



'•The Chairman Answer the question. 



"Mr. Lembkey. I did. 



'"The Chairman. That settles it. 



"Mr. Elliott. Out of the 12,920 skins which you took through the season of 1910, 

 how many of them exceeded in length 34 inches? 



"Mr. Lembkey. I do not know." 



Then he tells the committee on page 434 that 7,733 of them, according to this London 

 certificate, are the skins of •'small pups" and ''extra small pups." And then he re- 

 news that statement on p'age 441 and quoted Mr. Eraser as his authority. 



Dr. Evermann. So far as I know, Mr. Lembkey has not denied, and I can say I 

 have not denied, the classifications as given by Lampsons.r, If hey say that there are 

 80 many extra small pups and so many small pups, I presume that classification is 

 correct. I am also convinced that the statement which Lampson & Co. gave me, 

 that a skin 35 inches long which they certified as an extra small pup is an extra small 

 pup, and that the skin 37 i- inches long which Lampson & Co. certified to the Bureau 

 of Fisheries as being a small pui? is a small pup skin. 



Mr. Elliott. Were they salted skins? 



Dr. Evermann. Those were dressed skins. 



Mr. Elliott. They were "doped" and dressed and fixed up. They were not these 

 skins, salted skins. 



Mr. McGuiRE. What do you mean by ''doped and dressed?" 



Mr. Elliott. They are "stretched" and "doped" when they are dressed. The 

 dressers "dope" them with soap and sugar, and grease and all sorts of things; pull 

 and tread them backward and forward and stretch them into all sorts of shapes. That 

 is wh-at they call "doping." 



V. Dr. Charles H. Townsend, member of Advisory Board Fur-Seal Service, Depart- 

 ment of Commerce and Labor (pp. 736, 737, Hearing No. 12): 



Mr. McGillicuddy. Is there any way to determine the age of a seal from an exam-= 

 ination of the skin after it is taken off the body? 



Dr. Townsend. Oh, yes. I think a person handling a considerable number of 

 them would be able to throw out the different ages. 



