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FUR-SEAL HERD OF ALASKA. 



Lucas weighed and measured 

 no sealskins, because this work 

 had been done: 



Mr. Elliott. Nowhere in your table is 

 there a record of a "green" skin weight? 



Dr. Lucas. Not in my table. No; ex- 

 cept the one I think of, one skin only. 

 The weight had been very carefully taken 

 by Government agents and others, and it 

 was a part of the work we did not deem it 

 necessary to take. 



"There is a large amount of evidence 

 bearing on these facts collected by Messrs. 

 Judge and Lembkey, and I have perfect 

 faith in their observations from my per- 

 sonal knowledge of the men." (F. A. 

 Lucas to Hon. E. H. Townsend, Feb. 24, 

 1912. Hearing No. 14, p. 948.) 



Mr. Elliott. I've got it right here. 

 You can look over the London sales cata- 

 logues of the Lampsons like this one for 20 

 years, and you can find neither weight 

 nor measurement. 



Dr. Lucas. Then, they don't mean any- 

 thing. 



Mr. Elliott. They do "mean any- 

 thing." How do you suppose these skins 

 are classified? 



Dr. Lucas. By weight. 



Mr. Elliott. No, sir. How could they 

 classify them by weight — get the size by 

 weight? 



Dr. Lucas. Aren't you willing to say 

 that they are classified by weight? 



Mr. Elliott. No; because Mr. Eraser 

 says, on pages 30 to 33 of hearing No. 1, 

 that they are classified by measurement. 

 (Hearing No. 12, pp. 726, 727, May 16, 

 1912.) 



know whether the classification you men- 

 tion refers to the skins as taken from the 

 animals or after they have been cured and 

 salted ready for shipment. The process of 

 curing and salting must of necessity add 

 to the weight. (See p. 916, Proceedings of 

 the Tribunal of Arbitration, vol. 8, Paris, 

 1893.)" (Hearing No. 1, p. 14, May 31, 

 1912.) 



The London authority is con- 

 firmed on the Seal Islands. 



[Official Journal, Government Agent in Charge Seal 

 Islands, St. Pauls Island, Alaska.] 



Saturday, July ?3, 1904. 

 On July 18, 107 skins taken on Tolstoi 

 were weighed and salted. To-day they 

 were hauled out of the bench and re- 

 weigh .^d. At the time of killing they 

 weighed 705 pounds, and on being taken 

 out they weighed 759i pounds, a gain in 

 salting of 54^ pounds, or one-half pound 

 per skin. (Entry made on p. 149 by 

 \V. I. Lembkey, Chief Special Agent in 

 Charge Seal Islands.) 



But he has never seen the table 

 of one of his associates which de- 

 nies his claim that the skins are 

 classified by weight: 



Mr. Elliott. How do you know that 

 the weight determines the size? 



Dr. Lucas. The size determines the 

 weight. 



Mr. Elliott. Does it? 



Dr. Lucas. The size determines the 

 weight. 



Mr. Elliott. Are you sure of that? 



Dr. Lucas. Naturally, to a great extent 

 it does. 



Mr. Elliott. Are you acquainted with 

 the tables of salted weights published by 

 one of your associates, of 275 skins, which 

 give a complete denial to your statement? 



Dr. Lucas. I am not. 



Mr. Elliott. You have never seen the 

 table of Mr. Judge? 



Dr. Lucas. I presume I have seen the 

 table, but I never noticed it. (Hearing 

 No. 12, p. 726, May 16, 1912.) 



