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clearly as the days go by that to ensure success the knowledge and 

 results of research of the scientific men must go hand in hand with that 

 of the practical administrator. A number of our larger fishing concerns 

 in this country are realizing this, and, as Mr. Radcliffe has said, are 

 ready to give every encouragement to those who will take up questions 

 that are bothering them. 



One of the distinctions of the fisheries as contrasted with many 

 other industries is that few have been engaged in it who are affluent 

 enough to spend money on things that they feel they can get along 

 without. But governments are realizing more and more the need for 

 this kind of cooperation, and the people are realizing it more and more. 

 The College of Fisheries that has been started in the State of Wash- 

 ington is an evidence of it; the activities of that educational institution 

 have already lighted quite a flame and caused the eyes of the people 

 of this country to be turned to the possibilities that exist along these 

 lines. If we can do something to bring the universities into closer con- 

 tact with the problems that we are trying to solve, a great deal will be 

 done. With Professor Osburn's permission I shall seek to have as 

 much publicity as possible given to a great many of the remarks that 

 he has made, through the Publicity Division which we have recently 

 established in our Department ; because it does seem to me this doc- 

 trine of his is one that needs to be preached with fervor at this time. 



I am not quite certain about the matter of amalgamation of associa- 

 tions ; I do not quite understand the conditions existing in the United 

 States. Here we have the association to which Professor Prince has 

 referred, and which is paving the way to quite a successful career. That 

 association is in charge of men who realize the necessity for scientific 

 guidance. That is evidenced very largely by one incident which I will 

 explain to you. It was learned by the Canadian Fisheries Association 

 that representatives were not being sent from this country to the confer- 

 ence of scientific experts meeting this year at Honolulu, and appreciating 

 the desirability of taking action in that regard the Association assumed 

 the financial responsibility of sending a representative of the Biological 

 Board to the conference. There clearly is hope for the future in 

 the matter of bringing the university^ and the practical people into closer 

 cooperation. 



Dr. Osburn : I myself think that there is distinct hope for the future. 

 The suggestions I made at the end of my paper were merely in con- 

 nection with bridging the gap as best we can until we have our men 

 trained for this work, as they undoubtedly will be in the future. In 

 other lines of work such as I have mentioned — ^entomology, for instance — 

 we have made this connection between the university and the state in 

 practically all our states, and I know that the same is true of some of your 

 provinces. The same may be said of plant pathology in connection with 

 the botany department, and of bacteriology in connection with the water 

 department, and so on. There is no reason in the world why we should 

 not do it in the fisheries work, but it certainly has not been done to any 



