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different plants, outside the plant made by Mr. Greene. In 1876 

 1 took through, with Dr. liean as niy assistant, 200,000; in 1877 

 1 took through 200,000, in 1878 1 took through 200,000. If the 

 gentlemen here had seen Dr. Uean and myself trying to take 

 through the first 200,000 they would have thought we were luna- 

 tics. The report was that it was not jjossible to transport them 

 in a baggage car in cans unless nou could keep the temperature 

 above y2. In going over the mountain in sunnner time in June, 

 we found pretty cold weather in the night time. There were 

 snow storms and we built a fire in the stove. We could not 

 warm up the water; it kept going up and up and at last we took 

 our coats off and rolled up our sleeves and ran our arms down 

 into the water and tried to warm the water. We pulled ofY our 

 shoes and stockings and put our legs in and tried to wanu the 

 water. It ran down and down, but we succeeded in carrying 

 through to San l*>ancisco a lot of the finest shad I ever saw. 



Mr.- Bower: I wouldn't have it understood for a moment that 

 1 belittle the kind of work spoken of by Prof. Bumpus, but what 

 1 do want to say is that I don't believe in the necessity and don't 

 understand exactly why fish culturists should need to have docu- 

 ments of that kind to bolster uj) their faith in fish culture. We 

 don't need to have our fish identified before we are satisfied that 

 we are getting good results. 



Prof. Birge: It seems to me that Mr. Bower has understood 

 this paper differently from what Prof. Bumpus intended it should 

 be understood. I don't understand that we are arguing that the 

 work of planting fish is not practical, but there are a great many 

 people, and gentlemen of intelligence, who say, how do you know 

 when you put fish in Lake Erie, for instance, what becomes of 

 them? How do you know they have come back again, that they 

 don't go away, or how the fish increase, or that these are not the 

 fish that came in from the natural breeding grounds? You can 

 answer the question and perhaps prove it and no doubt you can, 

 in many cases, convince the man you are talking to that you are 

 increasing the fisheries in that manner, yet if you can have a 

 definite and positve answer it would be better. The more posi- 

 tive proof you have, it seems to me, the better. 



Mr. Spencley: It seems to me there is a great deal of differ- 

 ence between faith and j^roof. Mr. Bowers says he has a great 

 deal of faith, that is all very true; I don't believe any person pres- 

 ent at this meeting has any doubt about the success of fish culture, 

 but as Prof. Birge has saitl, .sometimes you have got to prove it. 



