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regional obligations. So that is what we are trying to get away 

 from. 



Mr. DeFazio. Do Council members have any comment on this? 



Mr. Trulove. The Council has looked a little bit at the idea of 

 unbundling. We are eager to participate with Bonneville in under- 

 standing exactly what their product mix is going to be because we 

 do have some concerns. I mean, we all have concerns about how 

 will this work out. The questions that have been raised just re- 

 cently, but also in terms of such time-honored practices as pref- 

 erence. What does preference mean to the various unbundled serv- 

 ices? 



From the standpoint of energy planning, the Council and the re- 

 gion in the past have pretty much been dominated by consider- 

 ations of energy. We have looked at what kinds of power plants 

 would be appropriate from purely an energy standpoint. As we are 

 moving into the future and as we have been making adjustments 

 to the system and operations of the system to the benefit of fish 

 and wildlife, we have had, I think, some fairly profound effects on 

 the system's capacity. As we unbundle, now we are looking at much 

 finer distribution of services across the electrical industry. I think 

 the Council is going to need to rethink its power planning capabil- 

 ity in terms of what kind of a mix of resources would better fit in 

 an unbundled world. That is new ground that we still have to plow. 

 We are eager to begin the discussions. I think we all await Bonne- 

 ville's first cut at their business plan and maybe some participation 

 in that so that we can do a better job of it. 



Mr. DeFazio. Are you involved in the ongoing development of the 

 business plan, or is this a case where they are going to develop it 

 internally and then present it to you? 



Mr. Trulove. Well, I think we are working with Bonneville in 

 terms of their function-by-function review. Now in terms of busi- 

 ness plan, it is at a stage where I think Bonneville has to put 

 something on the table and that is what they are doing now. We 

 are very eager to catch on and participate as a partner with them 

 just as soon as they get something on that table. I think from the 

 standpoint of environmental considerations, too one of the things 

 the Council has been striving for has been to very explicitly incor- 

 porate environmental considerations in our decisions. Up to this 

 point, we have made explicit decisions; for example, that coal is not 

 acceptable in the region in a pulverized form. So we made very ex- 

 plicit decisions about what you could and could not do. We have 

 said that you could not develop hydro in certain areas. I think in 

 the future, particularly with unbundling, we have got to look at a 

 different system configuration, different mixes of resources and try 

 to find the one that is the one that is the most environmentally 

 friendly and one that has a role for renewables development. All 

 of this makes power planting much more complex, I think. It is 

 going to be a real trick for we in the region to figure out how to 

 add the most value in this unbundled world. 



Mr. Duncan. I think there is probably a lot of frustration, which 

 many of us share with many of Bonneville's customers, about what 

 the unbundled mix of products is going to look like. The marketing 

 plan is one that is being dealt with mostly internally right now. 

 While I believe that Bonneville probably ought to make sure its got 



