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who came with the fihning group. We talked to him, they left, and 

 we haven't heard from them since. 



Mr. Penny. We need to do better in that regard. 



Mr. Zamaratskii. Dan Wagner was the name of the gentleman. 



Mr. Penny. We'll talk to Dan about that. Let me ask one con- 

 cluding question, and that is, I'd like Vladimir's response to this 

 question: How optimistic are you about the success of your own op- 

 eration? And, second, how optimistic are you about the prospects 

 for further privatization of agriculture within Russia? 



Mr. Zamaratskii. I'm optimistic about the future of our farming. 

 At this point, a few of us farmers have united. We've created a pri- 

 vate farm, and we will bring it to its logical conclusion. That's why 

 it is so important to get some aid from VOCA. What we need is 

 favorable credit. We need some consultation and practical help and 

 technical aid in order to get processing equipment necessary for our 

 small farm. That's meat processing and milk and things like that. 



Mr. Penny. We want to thank you very much for your assistance 

 this morning. It's been tremendously helpful in terms of getting our 

 hearings on Russian agricultural assistance underway. Would you 

 convey our appreciation to our two contacts in Moscow, and wish 

 them the very best of luck. Thank you. 



With that, we want to proceed to our first witness this morning. 

 Representative Dan Glickman, a member of this committee, chair- 

 man of the Intelligence Committee. Dan has recently expressed his 

 thoughts on the Russian situation particularly as it pertains to ag- 

 ricultural aid, and we welcome him this morning. 



The Chairman. Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Penny. Mr. de la Garza. 



The Chairman. Mr. Chairman, if I might just have a second to 

 translate what I said, hopefully, in good Russian, I said hello to 

 Vladimir, and I said, "My finend, brother farmer, I'm Congressman 

 de la Garza, chairmsin of the Agriculture Committee in the United 

 States. We offer you friendship, good will, understanding in agri- 

 culture, and the committee and the Congress and I will help you." 

 That's when he answered, "Thank you" and sounded very happy. 

 That's basically it. So I have committed us, as a committee, and 

 we, as a Congress, to help Vladimir, at least. 



Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Penny. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Now we'll have to think 

 of some legislation, won't we? 



Mr. Glickman. 



STATEMENT OF HON. DAN GLICKMAN, A REPRESENTATIVE IN 

 CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF KANSAS 



Mr. Glickman. Thank you, Mr. Penny. 



I would just say I had the privilege of being with Mr. de la Garza 

 in Russia, I guess it was 2 years ago, and he speaks Russian better 

 than any of the locals. He also is the best Ambassador that I have 

 ever been with. We went out to a farm in Tula, I think it was, a 

 collective farm, and we were in the midst of a festive occasion at 

 limch, and we were toasting the beautiful air and the beautiful 

 leaves and the relationships and every toast in the world, and ev- 

 erybody was kind of incapacitated, but our chairman was still talk- 

 ing Russian as clearly as anybody that we have heard, and it was 



