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Mr. Hamburg. But you have been advised by the Assistant Sec- 

 retary that these matters should be taken quite seriously? 



Mr. Detrich. That is correct. 



Mr. Hamburg. Mr. Chairman, I would yield and perhaps I will 

 get a second round here. 



Mr. Bishop. Thank you very much, Mr. Hamburg. We would like 

 to allow the gentleman from Georgia on the other side of the aisle 

 to ask some questions. Mr. Kingston. 



Mr. Kingston. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Leonard, on this $500 million price tag, that appraisal, was 

 that done on all 44,000 acres. 



Mr. Leonard. No, sir, that was done on approximately 4,500 

 acres. 



Mr. Kingston. What is the reason for that? You do it on part of 

 it and just multiply it out, is that it? 



Mr. Leonard. No, the area that was appraised is not representa- 

 tive of the total number. It represents the higher vsdue old-growth 

 timber, much of the remaining 44,000 acres is cut over. At the time 

 that we did this, there was a proposal to acquire just the head- 

 waters itself and a 1,500-acre buffer around that, so that was what 

 was appraised. We have not yet conducted appraisal of the total 

 property. 



Mr. Kingston. Will you be doing that, because with stumpage 

 prices changes, won't that figure change? 



Mr. Leonard. We would certainly have to update the appraisal 

 for the 4,500 acres to whatever time we were involved with — 

 stumpage values are increasing rapidly for redwood timber and we 

 will have to — if we got to the point of making an acquisition or ex- 

 change, we would have to do an appraisal for the entire property. 



Mr. Kingston. In private transactions, do appraisals get done 

 that way or is this a little different where you only appraise 4,500 

 acres? 



Mr. Leonard. There has been a series of proposals on what to 

 acquire here. Everything from just the Headwaters Forest to 

 29,000-acre tract which was in a bill last year, now 44,000. There 

 have been proposals for acquiring even larger areas. We were re- 

 sponding to the propossJ to acquire just the headwaters tract. Obvi- 

 ously, before you acquire a larger tract, you would have to do an 

 appraisal. 



Mr. Kingston. Since 1966, I understand the Forest Service has 

 acquired about 900 million dollars' worth of land, something there- 

 abouts, so wouldn't it be relevant to do an accurate appraisal and 

 know exactly if we are talking 4,500 or 44,000. 



Mr. Leonard. Absolutely. Before we would proceed with acquisi- 

 tion, we would have to do an appraisal. 



Mr. Kingston. Now, on the murrelets — ^we don't have them in 

 Greorgia — ^how many are on the 44,000 acres or how many are on 

 the 4,500 acres? 



Mr. Leonard. Let me have Dr. Ralph, who is the researcher who 

 specialized in the marbled murrelet respond to that question, what- 

 ever it is called. 



Mr. Ralph. The North American population of the species is 

 quite large, about 350,000. In California, recent research that I 

 have done shows between 6,000 and 8,000 in the State of Califor- 



