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is managed and it is actually cut from the Grovemment's 

 forestlands, the pilt payments? And also would there be a possibil- 

 ity for additional revenues in terms of tourists for wildlife £ind 

 camping and that t3rpe of thing from tourist fees and camping fees? 



Mr. Leonard. Yes, Mr. Chairman, there are a number of provi- 

 sions in the law that provide pajrments to local governments based 

 on the Federal lands within their jurisdiction. 



For example, to the extent that we have timber harvesting on 

 these lands that have national forest status, 25 percent of the reve- 

 nues would be paid to the counties for use for their schools and 

 roads. There is a provision for payment in lieu of taxes on those 

 lands to the extent that that 25 percent payment doesn't exceed the 

 minimum amount. 



And in this bill itself there is a provision for maintaining reve- 

 nues to the local governments based on California tax things for a 

 period of 10 years. 



Mr. POMBO. Would the gentleman yield? 



Mr. Bishop. Just a moment. Let me just follow up. 



This is in addition to the 10 years of payments that would be 

 contained in this bill? 



Mr. Leonard. I believe that it would. But what the administra- 

 tion is asking is that we sit down with zdl the parties involved and 

 develop a proposEil. 



They are not supporting this bill because of the direct costs. The 

 administration says, we would like to sit down with all the parties 

 involved, look at the avenues other than paying for it out of appro- 

 priated funds, out of land and water conservation funds, and I 

 think such things as paying to counties and whatnot might very 

 well be part of that discussion. 



But the bill itself does attempt to address this period by provid- 

 ing a 10-year transition period for the local government. 



Mr. GrOODLATTE. Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Bishop. Mr. Volkmer. 



Mr. GOODLATTE. Could I ask one question regarding that, if I 

 might? 



Mr. Bishop. If Mr. Volkmer will jdeld to you. 



Mr. Volkmer. I will yield. 



Mr. GrOODLATTE. I appreciate it. 



My understanding is that those payments in lieu of taxes are 75 

 cents an acre. That is what it is in Virginia; is that correct? 



Mr. Leonard. Yes. 



Mr. GrOODLATTE. So land that is valued at $100,000 an acre, in 

 excess of that the county would get, in lieu of the tax base on the 

 $100,000-an-acre land, 75 cents. 



Thank you. 



Mr. Volkmer. My problem, last year, when I was chairman of 

 the subcommittee with this bill was, if we use the money from the 

 Land and Water Conservation Fund, in the first place, we don't 

 have enough money to pay for this land. Now is that correct? How 

 much money have you got in the Land and Conservation Fimd 

 right now, appropriated funds? 



Mr. Leonard. I will have to— I think it is about $900 million in 

 total — well, in terms of our budget. 



