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spoken with him privately on the phone a number of times. I have 

 spoken with a number of commissioners of the Save the Redwoods 

 League and their position is to protect the parks that are already 

 in place and to acquire property in a closer adjacency. 



Mr. Hamburg. If you have that, I would be interested. I have 

 seen a letter from John DeWitt stating his personal position. I have 

 talked at length with him. I know that one of his major concerns 

 is he didn't believe that the Forest Service should be the manager 

 of this property. 



In the bill it goes into in addition to the Six Rivers Forest. Mr. 

 DeWitt disagrees with that. He is also very concerned, as am I, 

 with the matter of price and I think that is something that all of 

 us should be concerned about. I maintain, though, that there is a 

 direct relationship between your ability to harvest within this acre- 

 age and the costs that should be paid to your company for that 

 acreage and I don't think the appraisal took account of that. 



When the appraisal talks about setting aside 3 percent, 3 percent 

 for fish and wildlife, we had testimony this morning that that is 

 not nearly enough set-aside to protect coho salmon, to protect mar- 

 bled murrelets, to protect spotted owls, so I don't think that any 

 of the appraisals, including the ones that you speak about that 

 Maxxam might endorse, have much relationship to the reality of 

 what you can actually harvest given the current regulatory envi- 

 ronment. 



Mr. Campbell. Mr. Hamburg, we did not request that appraisal. 

 That was requested of the agency by the previous administration 

 and they selected the individuals that did the appraisal, and as far 

 as I know they are reputable people. 



Mr. Hamburg. I think we also had testimony to the effect that 

 the Fish and Wildlife Service was not consulted in the preparation 

 of that appraisal and again this 3 percent set-aside makes abso- 

 lutely no sense at all given the deteriorating and continuing-to-de- 

 teriorate-condition of endangered species within that acreage. 



Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Rose. Do you have any reaction to that? I mean, the times 

 have changed here, haven't they? 



Mr. Campbell. Yes, they have. I think it is important for people 

 to understand it takes a long time to gather the science involved 

 with these species and there is a dearth of science out there about 

 a number of these. As we recently witnessed with the northern 

 spotted owl, the Government is now admitting that they made a 

 mistake in northern California. They were on public television re- 

 cently. As a matter of fact, it was Mr. Detrich. 



Mr. Rose. Who admitted what? 



Mr. Hamburg. I haven't seen such an admission. In 90 days, the 

 Secretary of the Interior is going to report as to that. 



Mr. Campbell. I can submit a tape from NBC with a statement 

 for the record. 



Mr. Rose. From whom? 



Mr. Campbell. From Mr. Detrich of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife 

 Service. 



Mr. Rose. Saying what? 



Mr. Campbell. Saying that they felt that for the northern spot- 

 ted owl that the census was incorrect in northern California and 



