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as you looked to the right side of the photograph, you saw other 

 cut over properties, that must be second growth which is within the 

 44,000-acre boundary which the bill encompasses. 



Mr. DOOLITTLE. But outside of the initial approximately 4,500 

 acres? 



Mr. Hamburg. I am sorry? 



Mr. DOOLITTLE. Off to the right that you are talking about, the 

 second growth is outside the initial approximately 4,500 acres? 



Mr. Hamburg. Right. Most of what you saw there was the 4,500 

 acres, with the cuts in the southern area and in the western area 

 of that 4,500 acres. 



Mr. DOOLITTLE. Have you got it? Let's put it up, sir, so they can 

 see it. Let's ask them about it. 



This is a photograph, what, taken in 1991? 



Mr. Hamburg. 1991. 



Mr. DOOLITTLE. 1991 and what appears to be there is significant 

 areas of cleared cutting on that. Were those conducted pursuant to 

 a lawfully approved harvest plan? 



Mr. Campbell. Yes, they were. 



Mr. DOOLITTLE. And is it still the practice today of your company 

 or companies in general, let me bifurcate that question, to conduct 

 that type of harvesting? 



Mr. Campbell. We agreed in let's see May of 1988 with Assem- 

 blyman Byron Sher of the California Legislature that our company 

 would not clearcut in virgin redwood timber and we have not. What 

 you are looking at here is overstory removal. 



Mr. DOOLITTLE. I am sorry, what is it called? 



Mr. Campbell. Overstory removal. 



Mr. DOOLITTLE. What is that? 



Mr. Campbell. I think prior to about 1982 the Pacific Lumber 

 Company selectively logged everything on our property, in other 

 words, there was a peculiarity in the Tax Code that if you took 70 

 percent of the volume off the property, the remaining 30 percent 

 was removed from the tax rolls for 30 years, and it was 



Mr. DOOLITTLE. So that was designed to encourage selective 

 rather than 



Mr. Campbell. Right, and that area is a second stage of that op- 

 eration. They have thinned the trees at one point and then they 

 have gone back in here and taken off the overstory. If you look 

 here, you see a lot of regeneration underneath coming in. 



Mr. DOOLITTLE. The overstory, is that the bigger trees that they 

 are taking out? 



Mr. Campbell. The larger trees. They call them the seed trees. 



Mr. DOOLITTLE. They call them what? 



Mr. Campbell. Seed trees. 



Mr. DOOLITTLE. Seed trees that produce the seeds that generate 

 the new trees? 



Mr. Campbell. It helps the regeneration in the area. You get the 

 wind throw of the tree, plus the unique quality of the redwoods, 

 they sprout on their stumps. You get a fully stocked area within 

 2 to 3 years. 



Mr. DOOLITTLE. Well, it has been represented — let me read the 

 accusation here. 



