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Mr. POMEROY. Thank you. 



Mr. DOOLEY. Mr. Doolittle. 



Mr, Doolittle. Back to your earlier testimony, you indicated 

 since 1984, 9 years ago, the increase in the cutting of trees was 

 about 1.9. 



Mr. Campbell. I think it has averaged about 1.9 since then. 



Mr. Doolittle. Almost twice, but not quite twice? 



Mr. Campbell. That is correct. 



Mr. Doolittle. However, in terms of old growth, you testified in 

 1991, I think that is when this is, to the Interior subcommittee 

 that increase in old growth since the merger, which would be 1986, 

 increased by 30 percent. 



Mr. Campbell. That would be correct. The 1.9 percent increase 

 was in our total forest package. The majority of the increase in the 

 harvest has taken place in second growth and in residual timber. 



Mr. Doolittle. I just wanted to get that clear. We are not talk- 

 ing about you didn't double your rate of cut of the old growth. It 

 went up by 30 percent. 



Mr. Campbell. That is correct. 



Mr. Doolittle. Now, Mr. Campbell, if it were possible, if you 

 could get all the approvals, would you cut all of the trees in your 

 forest? 



Mr. Campbell. Not all at one time. 



Mr. Doolittle. Why not? 



Mr. Campbell. It wouldn't be prudent. 



Mr. Doolittle. You mean you have some interests in keeping 

 some trees around for the future. 



Mr. Campbell. Absolutely. I mean we are in the business of 

 growing and harvesting trees on a sustained basis. 



Mr. Doolittle. Wait a minute. I thought Mr. Stark said that 

 you didn't have any idea about sustainable yield. 



Mr. Campbell. I mentioned earlier that we developed a business 

 plan in 1986 that allowed us to increase the harvest because we 

 reinventoried our property. We took into account the changes that 

 have occurred in the technical manufacturing area. You can utilize 

 a lot more of each individual tree than you could in the past. We 

 felt that we could increase our harvest conservatively and in the 

 20-year period after we have gone into a second growth, total sec- 

 ond growth phase that we would go on sustained yield in perpetu- 

 ity. 



Mr. Doolittle. And you would go into perpetuity beginning in 

 what year? 



Mr. Campbell. Sometime in the la.f:^r part of the first decade of 

 the next century. 



Mr. Doolittle. While your timber harvest plans are reviewed by 

 timber regulatory authorities, your business plan obviously isn't. 



Mr. Campbell. No. 



Mr. Doolittle. But nevertheless you are telling us it is in your 

 interests to ensure that there is a constant supply of trees? 



Mr. Campbell. That is right. Because since the merger we have 

 invested over $100 million in new plant and facilities in Humboldt 

 County. We have added 300 new jobs and we would like to see that 

 continue and the only way we can do that with all of our land 

 zoned for timber production is to grow trees. 



