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Senator Conrad. Percent or cent? 



Mr. Bauerle. I am sorry. Cent, 5 to 9 cents. And the range is 

 based on the substitutability of yellow corn for food grade white 

 and food grade yellow. If we can get a dime a bushel more for white 

 corn, we will be glad to raise white corn. We have no problem 

 switching. 



On jobs — and this is probably the hottest contested issue as you 

 listen to the TV and the radio. We have more calls from people 

 wanting to know what is the truth on jobs, what are the actual 

 facts. On jobs, it shows a slight increase in total U.S. jobs. Now, 

 that is not saying that there won't be some jobs lost and some jobs 

 created, but it shows anywhere from roughly a 35,000- to 150,000- 

 job increase for the United States. 



A big consideration, as the baseline for this econometric model 

 was drawn, was what happens to environmental concerns if 

 NAFTA is not passed. The environmental concerns in Mexico were 

 not an issue in the United States until NAFTA. If NAFTA fails, 

 there's a real fear that these environmental concerns could go by 

 the wayside. 



U.S. meat, cattle exports, pork exports, and even poultry would 

 have sizable increases, large increases. Contrary to popular belief, 

 after visiting with some people and looking at our Mexican Em- 

 bassy, their number one requirement right now for corn is for in- 

 dustrial uses and for food. They are reluctant to feed $4.86 corn to 

 pigs. So that fear was totally unfounded. 



I might also add that I am a producer of dry beans, and I am 

 tickled to death to hear all the attention to dry beans. I didn't 

 know anybody in Washington knew what a dry edible bean was. 

 But I have the same concerns as many other dry bean producers 

 had, and that is with the quota. But I also have to say that in the 

 last 10 years of raising dry beans, I have sold beans for 11 cents 

 in years when Mexico wasn't buying beans and I have sold beans 

 for 38 cents a pound when they were. So I will take the 50,000 tons 

 and take it somewhere in between that. 



Thank you. 



Senator Conrad. Thank you very much, Mr. Bauerle. 



Now we will hear from Mr. Stuber from my home State. A spe- 

 cial welcome to you, Roger. 



STATEMENT OF ROGER STUBER, PRESIDENT, NATIONAL 

 CATTLEMEN'S ASSOCIATION, BOWMAN, ND 



Mr. Stuber. Thank you, Senator, and good afternoon. My name 

 is Roger Stuber. I am from Bowman, North Dakota, and president 

 of the National Cattlemen's Association representing 230,000 cattle 

 producers nationwide. 



Mr. Chairman, the National Cattlemen's Association strongly 

 supports the North American Free Trade Agreement as a good 

 business opportunity. During the last years or last decades, we 

 have worked aggressively to develop, access, and expand foreign 

 markets, and today we are exporting about 10 percent of our value. 



As the U.S. population ages and our population slows, the contin- 

 ued growth of beef will depend on the new economies of the world. 

 The dynamics of the Mexican market are exciting: 50 percent of the 

 population below the age of 20, 80 percent below the age of 40. 



