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Mr. VoLKMER. I think we need to do that, and I think that as 

 we learn more and more about how to analyze for pests, fungi, 

 whatever other diseases, with the science that we have, I think as 

 we work this up, I think we are going to have to have the coopera- 

 tion of APHIS also in that. 



I think it is necessary for them to be involved also, Mr. Chair- 

 man. 



Mr. Rose. Thank you. What about in Chairman de la Garza's 

 district? What research facility — could you talk about the research 

 that is ongoing there? 



Mr. Lee. The Agricultural Research Service has at least one, if 

 not more, facilities, in the Chairman's district. Research in particu- 

 lar on fruit flies. 



Mr. Rose. Screwworm. 



Mr. Lee. Boll weevil, biological control, fruit flies, and other cot- 

 ton pests. I believe there is also research at that facility on sugar 

 cane pests. 



Mr. Rose. Well, I am specifically talking about the kinds of pests 

 that come into this country through the shipments, through the 

 airplanes, through the people, through the Postal Service. 



I mean, Mr. DeFazio is hitting the tip of the iceberg, so far as 

 I am concerned. I know that we have boll weevil pests that have 

 to be outsmarted and sugar cane pests, but he specifically is talk- 

 ing about imported pests that are coming in, not those that have 

 lived here and learned to like our chemicals and that we have to 

 change the chemicals so they do not like them anymore. 



All right. Mr. Smith. 



Mr. Smith of Oregon. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Dr. Lorimer, are you an entomologist? 



Ms. Lorimer. I am, sir. 



Mr. Smith of Oregon. Mr. Lee, how many entomologists do you 

 have on stafl? Let me ask you the other question, then. 



Mr. Lee. Mr. Smith, I am not prepared. I would be happy to sub- 

 mit that for the record, but we believe we have at least 16 certified 

 entomologists full time at headquarters. 



Mr. Smith of Oregon. Okay. Were entomologists involved when 

 you did your risk assessment work in Chile and in New Zealand? 



Ms. Lorimer. Yes, they were. Entomologists and pathologists. 



Mr. Smith of Oregon. Both, okay. I assume, Mr. Rains, that 

 Chile and New Zealand wish to export their logs. 



Mr. Rains. That is true. 



Mr. Smith of Oregon. And they have as much interest in export- 

 ing pest-free logs for a market in the United States, probably their 

 best market in the world. I am assuming their interests are like 

 ours. 



Mr. Rains. Absolutely. 



Mr. Smith of Oregon. If they export a pest-ridden log, they know 

 they are going to be shut down. 



Mr. Rains. That is true. 



Mr. Smith of Oregon. So it is in their economic interest to make 

 sure that they, along with us, do not find problems with the impor- 

 tation of those logs, I assume; is that correct? 



Mr. Rains. Yes, sir. 



