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Mr. McGill. It did not take Stevens long to get ahead on me, 

 but, like I say, I would like to see — see, the whole thing is with 

 your research and following that is Senate and legislature. We can 

 only budget year to year, and I would like to see it passed so that 

 the processors pay for it, you know, they pay a percentage, and 

 that way it is ongoing. 



The Chairman. What do they pay now? Do you mean for the re- 

 search? 



Mr. McGlLL. They pay for enforcement, which is — they do not 

 have enough of that. I am in favor of more enforcement, too. 



The Chairman. Well, now that is my Coast Guard friends. 



Mr. McGill. I mean enforcement on their bycatch and more ob- 

 servers and having more coverage and everything else. 



What we are doing in some cases is sacrificing the dollar, dollar- 

 and-a-half pound fisn for 7-cent pound fish, and I do not think it 

 is right. Like I have said, I have been a fisherman a lot of years 

 and I just do not believe in waste. 



The Chairman. Well, that makes sense. You are sacrificing dol- 

 lar-a-pound fish for 7-cents-a-pound fish, I can understand that 

 language. 



Mr. McGill. When they are dragging for yellowfin sole, which is 

 in joint venture with the Russians, there was not a pass, I have 

 not kept up on it that much, they are getting halibut and other 

 species of fish. And, you know, we have a hard time proving it, too, 

 because it goes right through the grinders, but halibut disappears 

 in areas. 



And what my friend Andy here, when he said the bycatch, that 

 is reported bycatch. I do not know how much a difference there is. 

 Maybe they are reporting everything or not, but I know as a fisher- 

 man, if I had a several million dollar debt staring me in the face, 

 I would be doing what I could to get it, you know, make out on it. 



The Chairman. Well, you know us, we do not take off on holiday 

 just to see some fine people. I would like to get something done. 



Mr. McGill. Yes, I understand. 



The Chairman. And what am I supposed to do, come up here and 

 just have the hearing? I want you to tell me what to do that I am 

 not doing or what I am doing that is wrong. 



Mr. McGill. Yeah. Well, like I say, I would like to see more en- 

 forcement. Like I said on the budget, if you can budget for year 

 after year. 



The Chairman. So, we need a bigger budget? 



Mr. McGill. No. I would have liked the foreign — the processors 

 paying for it, like you used to with the foreign processors. You 

 know, they paid their own expense, and I think that that way you 

 can afford to have processors and then the budget crunches would 

 not hurt you. But I think it is something that ought to be done, 

 because you got a chain reaction on — you know, when you kill off 

 one species, it affects another one. 



Like, well, it is getting a little away from the Magnuson Act, but 

 when the Japanese started their big chum fisheries and everything, 

 we were warned by the scientists that you should follow the food 

 chain and several cycles of fish research and stuff like it, find out 

 how much fish the food chain will support. 



