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tional Marine Fisheries Service and is not lost in Congress, I think 

 they will support it. 



The Chairman. Very good. Go right ahead if you have not com- 

 pleted. 



Mr. Albrecht. Yes, one final point. It has been discussed. Chum 

 salmon, which are sort of a bread-and-butter fishery throughout 

 western Alaska, they go and they spawn and then go back out to 

 sea, and what appears to be happening is that something has hap- 

 pened to the ocean, in the ocean, there is not enough food for them 

 to eat. They are coming back in less numbers and they are also 

 coming back smaller sized. 



For more than 50 years, the Japanese have invested in large 

 hatchery programs up in northern Japan on Hokkaido. In the last 

 10 years, they have been producing on the order of 40 to 60 million 

 adult chum salmon. 



Naturally, back at the turn of the century they only produced 

 about 20 or 30 million. And these chum salmon go out to sea and 

 they compete for the same plankton and little critters in the ocean 

 that our chum salmon compete for, and our wild stocks are being 

 driven out, they are all eating the same fish. And the Japanese are 

 seeing declines in theirs and we are also seeing a decline in ours, 

 but they have got 60 million hatchery fish and we have got some- 

 where less than that of wild chum stock. 



So, I am sure you are familiar with the high seas driftnet battle 

 the last few years, and it is my contention, and many of the fisher- 

 men, not only Yukon fishermen, up and down the coast, that those 

 Asian hatchery chum, and this includes Russian hatchery produc- 

 tion, are seriously impacting our salmon just as much as the high 

 seas driftnet fleet would be doing it. 



With the driftnet, there was work in the United Nations and 

 there was work in the U.S. Congress, as far as trade legislation, 

 to bring an end to the high seas driftnet, and we would like to see 

 the Congress, through the international agencies, through negotia- 

 tions with the Japanese and the Russians, to say, you know, you 

 can have your own fisheries, you can produce salmon, but you start 

 producing more than nature can provide for and you start hurting 

 our salmon, then you have got some serious problems. 



It needs to be brought under control. We have extended our 200- 

 mile limit, but they are releasing chum salmon which come all the 

 way over even to our coast and feed in the same areas. So, I think, 

 you know, Congress is going to have to sit down and say — you 

 know, it is like dumping microchips on the market. They are dump- 

 ing all these chum salmon out into the Bering Sea, eating the same 

 food that our fish are eating and driving our stocks down to low 

 levels, so it is a little bit out of the purview of the council on the 

 Magnuson Act, but it is a serious problem for our fishermen. 



The Chairman. Very good, sir. Thank you. 



Mr. Anderson. 



Mr. Anderson. Thank you again, Mr. Chairman. 



The Chairman. Thank you. 



Mr. Anderson. And this is my testimony, so I will — if there are 

 any questions, I will be glad to try to answer any questions you 

 may have. 



The Chairman. Do you have an extra copy of your testimony? 



