bycatch issue, but the methods and means of fishing, you know, out 

 in the Bering Sea is — you are always going to have bycatch. I 

 mean, no matter how you design your trawls, you are still going 

 to get into that, you know, when you are fishing in areas when you 

 have migrating species that come in, and — I mean, one of the ways, 

 you know, that could be considered is when — you know, usually 

 when fishermen fall short of their quota and go before the council 

 and ask for an extension of time, you know, because they have not 

 gotten their quota of what they are out there to fish, you know, you 

 are granted that additional time. And during that time, when you 

 have — when you are going back to the same grounds and you are 

 finding different — for example, in springtime off of Port Moller, you 

 know, you have a high concentration of crab during that time, and 

 herring, salmon. 



You Know, the Shumagins, the mature salmon in the Shumagins, 

 during the fall cod fishery, for example, those are the — I mean, I 

 think the council maybe — you know, I cannot speak specifically, 

 but I — I used to be involved in the bottomfishery back in 1976 to 

 1986. For 10 years I was president of a corporation that owned a 

 124-foot dragger out in the Bering Sea, so we have developed that 

 fishery in the joint venture, which is why I am somewhat familiar 

 with the process of what is going on out on the Bering Sea. And 

 when we talk about immature salmon in the Shumagins in Novem- 

 ber, we know we have been there before and we can pretty much, 

 you know, identify that as a hot area. When you are talking about 

 fishing for yellowfin sole in Port Moller, you have a heavy con- 

 centration of crab in the spring. 



The Chairman. That is how you have to control bycatch, by pick- 

 ing the time and place for trawling? 



Mr. Angasan. Right, and I think those are the kind of things 

 that should be talked about. I think one of the other major issues 

 that I would like to address and yield is that CDQ's, I think the 

 North Pacific Council has — you know, needs to be commended for 

 developing the CDQ program, where the IV2 percent of the pollock 

 allocation goes to the 44 villages in western Alaska communities. 



The CDQ program is a very — is now becoming a very instrumen- 

 tal source of income for — or source of cash to develop the expertise 

 needed, the equipment needed, the infrastructure to go out and 

 begin to participate and have those kind of opportunities in the 

 Bering Sea that are not available to them because of the heavy 

 cashflow. 



But, you know, the need for — I mean, you can rely on the Federal 

 Government for programs or you can begin sharing in the CDQ 

 program, and, you know, I think the people are finding that — you 

 know, would like to see those kind of things continue. 



The CDQ program is expiring in 1995. It is just a 3-year pro- 

 gram. And we would like to see, you know, within the reauthoriza- 

 tion of the Magnuson Act, the, you know, strong language that 

 would direct — possibly direct the North Pacific Council to initiate 

 that program and expand into other species, like crab and, you 

 know, bottomfish. 



The Chairman. So, you think the CDQ program is working well? 



Mr. Angasan. Oh, definitely. I mean, it is providing an oppor- 

 tunity for people in the villages to train for that industry. When 



