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and me memory is that the Canadians accepted it conditioned on 

 the acceptance of the Northeast 



Mr. Benton. I seem to recall that, too, but I do not recall the 

 specific settlement. 



Senator Stevens. I would like to have, and we will ask our staff 

 of to get a map to show that line. 



And in the meanwhile you do not require Canadians to get out 

 of the disputed area; is that right? 



Captain Dorsey. That is right, sir. The only enforcement action 

 we take against Canadians is when they cross the A-B Line into 

 undisputed U.S. waters. 



Senator Stevens. Right. 



Captain Dorsey. Because we support the concept of flag-state 

 enforcement in the disputed area. 



Senator Stevens. Right. I stated it wrong at the beginning. That 

 was my misunderstanding. You will get them when they come over 

 the A-B Line. You will not get them when they come over the first 

 line. 



Captain Dorsey. That is correct, sir. 



Senator Stevens. Mr. Chairman, it appears that we have a ques- 

 tion from the audience. 



The Chairman. Go ahead. Let us have the gentleman's question. 

 We do not want to turn this into the Donohue Show, but we will 

 be delighted to hear from you. 



From the Floor. Yeah, I appreciate that. 



Senator Stevens. If you would please introduce yourself to Sen- 

 ator Hollings. 



Mr. Coburn. Terry Coburn. I have 48 years of fishing experience 

 in Alaska, Canada, and United States waters. 



And the gentleman, the commander here asked for questions 

 from the audience just a moment ago. Well, in the days of the 3- 

 mile limit, the 12-mile limit, the Hecata Straits, the Goose Island 

 grounds, all west of Graham Island, we would seek harbors in Ca- 

 nadian waters right around Beach Jacket. Two different instances 

 the Canadians run us out of their harbor because is was not blow- 

 ing 25 knots. 



Now, my pertinent question is this, any Canadian here, wheth- 

 er — the weather can be glassy calm, and smaller and smaller boats 

 have been coming across from Canada to fish this disputed area, 

 because our Coast Guard asked them a formal question: "Do you 

 understand the rules of using our harbors?" Which is you cannot 

 process fish. And they come back with their immediate quick an- 

 swer on the radio phone, "Yeah, we understand." And we are invit- 

 ing them to fish these areas by furnishing secure harbors every 

 night. 



And my question to the commander is, why? Thank you very 

 much. 



The Chairman. Captain, do you want to deal with that question? 



Captain Dorsey. Yes, Mr. Chairman. Several years back there 

 was a meeting between Canadian enforcement officials and various 

 U.S. agencies at which it was agreed that, because of the fact that 

 there are a number of safe harbors within U.S. waters that are 

 much closer to the fishing grounds in the disputed areas than the 

 safe harbors in Canadian waters, that Canadian vessels would be 



