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ers are monitoring 100 percent of the catch because observers have 

 to sleep. 



The Chairman. Because the observers have to sleep? 



Ms. Pagels. That is correct. They fish around the clock, and ob- 

 servers cannot necessarily work 24 hours. 



The Chairman. I understand that. How would you improve it? I 

 am coming back to you, Mr. Coburn. But, Ms. Pagels, how would 

 you improve on the observer problem then? 



Ms. Pagels. Well, we recommended numerous things at the 

 council level. Some of the things that we are directly concerned 

 with are — I believe Mr. Benton from the State of Alaska high- 

 lighted those. In the CDQ fishery, for example, right now the way 

 they are operating is on almost a voluntary basis, and next year 

 it will be regulatory. And they are taking on these factory trawlers 

 two observers so that they can work in 12-hour shifts around the 

 clock. 



In addition to that they are asking that the vessels either put a 

 scale on board which be verified by the observers, or to assess ap- 

 proximately what would settle within a certified bin, so that they 

 can get an accurate volume assessment of the fish. And effectively 

 you will have 100 percent of the catch monitored. 



We would like to see that spread out through the rest of the in- 

 dustry; that is, 100 percent observers 



Mr. Coburn. On all vessels? 



Ms. Pagels. Absolutely. 



The Chairman. I am going back to you. Go ahead, Mr. Coburn. 

 Let me let you complete your statement. 



Mr. Coburn. Well, that is the way to cure the problem. I mean 

 you monitor it, you know. You monitor it for enforcement. And the 

 enforcement is if they do not observe it, they are not the licensed 

 to fish. And the Coast Guard — "Get off the ocean. You do not have 

 a license or permit or darn thing else." 



Now, if you take a man's livelihood away, he is going to be a very 

 careful individual in the ocean about wanton waste. That is the 

 way to cure the problem. 



The Chairman. Very good. 



Mr. Coburn. Yeah, I have got a little bit of humor here, and it 

 sort of makes the point. We were out fishing in the disputed area, 

 and I brought up a drowned king salmon, a beautiful fish, 27 V2 

 pounds, floating on his side. And according to Alaska State law it 

 is an absolute criminal offense for me to keep this beautiful fish 

 to eat, because the king salmon season is not open. 



The same fish you pay $37.50 a plate in Washington, DC, just 

 as good or better as filet mignon. And I have to cast it back in the 

 ocean. And my wife's sitting over there. And I could have ate on 

 that fish for 2 weeks and enjoyed every mouthful of it. 



And I know of one instance, you know, through the pipeline 

 where there was a $3^000 fine for keeping one Alaska fish. And our 

 wanton waste law says we are not supposed to waste it, but what 

 do you call throwing a 27-pound drowned fish back in the ocean? 



The Chairman. That is a State law? 



Mr. Coburn. That is the State law, yeah. 



The Chairman. You have got to get on Benton now. You 

 cannot 



