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boats fish dirty they should not be in the fishery, they ought to be 

 denied a renewal of their license. 



Now, what do you think about that? 



Mr. Leighton. I think I agree. 



Senator Stevens. Ms. Lande, what do you think about that? Are 

 you willing to get a license? 



Ms. Lande. I have a license. 



Senator Stevens. Fisheries license? 



Ms. Lande. Yes. 



Senator Stevens. For your boat? 



Ms. Lande. Yes. I have every license that the Federal Govern- 

 ment requires. 



Senator Stevens. But that is basically for fishing? 



Ms. Lande. Yes. 



Senator Stevens. But when you register, is it a national license? 



Ms. Lande. We have a Federal fishery 



Senator Stevens. You do not have one that can be denied you 

 because you have had a dirty boat. 



Ms. Lande. No. 



Senator Stevens. All right. That is what I am talking about. The 

 capability to sanction fishing as Terry mentioned. If you do not fish 

 right, take their license away. That is what happens to me as a 

 fisherman. If I am a sports fisherman, and I violate the law, I do 

 not get a license. 



Ms. Lande. Is this observer program going to be forced on the 

 smaller boats? I have a 36-foot boat, and I am not sure where I am 

 going to put an observer. 



Senator Stevens. I do not see that being a goal. We should try 

 to avoid putting an economic burden on vessels or putting them out 

 of business. 



Ms. Lande. That had been brought before the council at one 

 time 



Senator Stevens. Yes. 



Ms. Lande [continuing]. On the small fleet. 



Senator Stevens. I do favor having mandatory weigh-in require- 

 ment for all vessels. Now, that may get me in some trouble, but 

 I do believe we ought to know what fish are being taken out of the 

 ocean. And that is one area where the small vessels are doing a 

 much better job than the factory trawlers, even with their observer 

 coverage. 



Ms. Lande. The small vessels have to come in. We have no other 

 way to weigh our fish, but to go to a processor. 



Senator Stevens. Yes, you get the fish tickets, and we can get 

 those and know the weight. Yes, Penny. 



Ms. Pagels. Yes, I just wanted to clarify, you know, part of the 

 issue we have been working on in the North Pacific are of signifi- 

 cance is the North Pacific Fisheries Research Plan, which Mr. Ben- 

 ton talked about earlier. And in that plan they have excluded the 

 salmon fisheries. And I just want to point out though that we fully 

 recognize how difficult it would be to put an observer on a 35- or 

 a 36-footer or whatever. And that is something though that some 

 folks in the fishing industry from the southeast with the 56- or 55- 

 footers, they said we will voluntarily do a — start a — sort of a pilot 

 program, if you will, to see how feasible it is going to be with small 



