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Isn't this a test that is used to determine whether — it is a hall- 

 mark test for looking at addiction? 

 Mr. Spears. That was his position. 

 Mr. Waxman. Do you deny it? 

 Mr. Spears. I don't think so. 

 Mr. Waxman. Pardon? 

 Mr. Spears. It depends on the strength of the experiment and a 



lot of things. , 



Mr. Waxman. But if you are going to determine addiction, isn t 

 this one of the tests that is used? 

 Mr. Spears. Look, it is a test that is used. 



Mr. Synar. Did the company make a mistake using that test as 

 a barometer? 



Mr. Spears. I don't know any more about it. I am just trying to 

 say that Dr. Kessler did not call this addition — addiction. 



Mr. Synar. Mr. Whitley, the patents that Dr. Kessler presented 

 are interesting. You saw them. Do you have any information on 

 whether any of those patents were actually used by the industry? 

 Mr. Whitley. Let me go back to what I said previously, Mr. 

 Synar. If you will look at the written statements that each of the 

 companies submitted today, every single one of them says that we 



do not add nicotine. I do not believe 



Mr. Synar. I would like to ask you 



Mr. Whitley. I do not believe — if you would let me finish, please. 

 Mr. Synar. No. Mr. Whitley, I have asked you, on behalf of this 

 subcommittee, if you would go back to the various companies and 

 as a sign of good faith report back whether or not any of the pat- 

 ents that Dr. Kessler talked about have been applied by the indus- 

 try. 



Dr. Raffle, first your testimony states that you see patients with 

 various drug addictions and drug intoxications, including heroin, 

 alcohol and other things. I do not see from your testimony that you 

 have dealt with patients who are not able to stop smoking. Do you? 

 Mr. Raffle. In the course of my practice, I sometimes have pa- 

 tients who also smoke and ask me for their— for my guidance in 

 doing so. I then tell them that smoking is not a big deal. That 40 

 million Americans have stopped smoking, not to start again. That 



none of them — none — maybe 95 percent of those 



Mr. Synar. So your experience is limited to that kind of advice 

 and limited readings? 



Mr. Raffle. I have more answer to give you, sir. Can I tell you 

 what else I tell my patients? 

 Mr. Synar. Yes. 



Mr. Raffle. Gk)od. I also tell them that when they stop smoking 

 they are going to experience a loss of a well-liked and entrenched 

 habit. And that they will feel a yearning for it. They will also have 

 probably some restlessness, some fidgeting, but that it has nothing 

 at all to do with the kind of detoxification that occurs with drug 

 addictions such as heroin and cocaine, which I have described in 

 my report to you. 



Mr. Synar. So you don't specialize in a stop-smoking type of 



Mr. Raffle. You don't need to specialize in stopping smoking to 

 help people stop smoking. It is easy. All you have to do is want it. 



