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ly of data being released in an inflammatory sense, in possible vio- 

 lation of a Federal 



Mr. Waxman. Just a minute. The question is whether you're 

 going to submit this data. You're not suggesting that this sub- 

 committee has released any data you've submitted to us in con- 

 fidence in any improper way, are you? 



Mr. James Johnston. No, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Waxman. You will submit the data. May I have the answers 

 from the others? We'll have to move on. 



Mr. Taddeo. I'm unaware that we have any in-house animal re- 

 search. 



Mr. Waxman. Speak into the microphone. 



Mr. Taddeo. I'm unaware that we have any in-house animal re- 

 search. 



Mr. Waxman. Whatever you have, we want you to submit it to 

 us. Will you agree to that, Mr. Tisch? 



Mr. TisCH. Yes, sir. We will provide to Congress whatever is ap- 

 propriate and required by law, sir. 



Mr. Synar. Gentlemen, let me explain to you something. If we 

 have to subpoena this information, you will not be able to deter- 

 mine the appropriateness of the information. So you can either vol- 

 untarily agree to submit all information, including notes, records, 

 et cetera, or the subcommittee may be forced to consider a sub- 

 poena, through which we will get all the information. 



Mr. TiscH. I understand that, sir. 



Mr. Waxman. Are you committing to cooperate with the sub- 

 committee and get us the data? 



Mr. TisCH. I have not, not cooperated, with the committee. Like 

 I said, I will be glad to provide whatever is appropriate and what- 

 ever you require of us and whatever you ask of us. 



Mr. Waxman. Mr. Horrigan? 



Mr. Horrigan. We will cooperate. And if I may, at this juncture, 

 I am somewhat appalled by the conduct of this hearing. You in- 

 vited responsible executives here to devote their time and their 

 honesty to the answers. You overwhelm people with questions. You 

 ask yes and no. And I would like to think if we were going to have 

 an exchange here, a true exchange, for you to be informed rather 

 than have your minds made up, we should be given chances in fu- 

 ture questioning to expand, if necessary. 



Mr. Waxman. Mr. Horrigan 



Mr. Horrigan, We will cooperate fully with the question rep- 

 resented by Mr. Synar. 



Mr. Waxman. So your answer is yes. Mr. Sandefur? 



Mr. Sandefur. Yes. We will cooperate. We have not done any 

 animal research. 



Mr. Waxman. Mr. Johnston? 



Mr. Donald Johnston. Yes. We will cooperate. We have not 

 done any such studies in our own facilities. However, I would point 

 out that in the period of the 1930's through the 1960's, we did par- 

 ticipate in a program of grants with the Medical College of Vir- 

 ginia, and that information may be something we can provide. 



Mr. Waxman. Thank you very much. Mr. Bryant? 



Mr. Bryant. Thank you very much. I would like to ask each of 

 you sort of a rhetorical question I think I know the answer to al- 



