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many people do not stay with nicotine patches, which provide nico- 

 tine just like a cigarette does, is that there's something more to 

 smoking than just nicotine. It's the ritual. It's the way we associate 

 it after a meal or with a cup of coffee. 



So to say that people taking nicotine through gum or patches — 

 if it was only nicotine, the/d stay with it. But there is something 

 more to smoking. There is pleasure and enjoyment out of smoking. 



Mr, Waxman. And 400,000 people die each year. Thank you, Mr. 

 Bryant. Mr. Kreidler? 



Mr. Kreidler. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Waxman. Mr. Hastert has arrived. Do you want to take your 

 time now? Mr. Kreidler. 



Mr. Kreidler. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My father said to me, 

 he said "I just wish I had known" what he had known 10 years ago. 

 He wished he had known at the age of 14 what he knew 10 years 

 ago. The sad part of that was that he was telling me this as he 

 was in a nursing home bed dying of emphysema. 



I was in the State legislature at the time and after the end of 

 the day, I'd go up and I'd spend my evenings with my father over 

 those last few months and it was a prized time to have that kind 

 of exchange of information with your father as he's dying. 



But it was really hard because it was interrupted so frequently 

 with his laboring coughs and his attempts to get breath. It would 

 be hard for me to imagine that there's one of you gentlemen sitting 

 here that have ever witnessed something like that. My father start- 

 ed smoking when he was 14 years of age. He quit 10 years before 

 he died because of the diagnosis of emphysema, took every medica- 

 tion he possibly could on a very regimented schedule, but it's pro- 

 gressive. It just goes until you die. You can't get any breath. 



I can't imagine there's one of you gentlemen here that could actu- 

 ally advocate to a loved one please take up cigarette smoking, par- 

 ticularly if you've ever witnessed on a very personal level somebody 

 very close to you dying under those circumstances, which I had, un- 

 fortunately, the opportunity to do. 



My dad died that way and it was very sad. A very proud man 

 under a very sad situation. 



Mr. Campbell, you said it's not addictive. It's very hard for me 

 to sit here and hear anybody say that it's not addictive when I wit- 

 nessed what it did to my father over those years and the state- 

 ments that he made, which clearly indicate that it is not just ad- 

 dictive, it's very addictive. 



How do you respond? Would you ever want a loved one to take 

 up cigarette smoking, knowing that the outcome, particularly if it 

 were to lead to something like emphysema, would be something 

 that could lead to the kind of death that I had to witness with my 

 father? 



Mr. Campbell. As I said, I really don't accept, from a common 

 sense standpoint, that smoking is addictive. In terms of your own 

 family situation, I can only feel the same kind of remorse that you 

 reflect. But I guess what I would say is that when it comes to fam- 

 ily members, I think of my own daughters and I would like them 

 to take no risks. 



But I accept that at some point that they're going to be taking 

 some risks and I want them to be informed about those risks. I 



