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You say you're opposed to it, but you're in favor of some accom- 

 modation. I think that's unfortunate. I hope your children and your 

 grandchildren don't get sick as a result. 



Mr. Horrigan? 



Mr. Horrigan. I think over the years and since the issue has be- 

 come more high profile, you have obviously seen a huge increase 

 in the population, the smoking population, and their appreciation 

 and respect for others. So I think that will continue. They will re- 

 spect the rights of others. As Mr. Johnston said, there are rude 

 non-smokers, as well, but I think it is a matter of accommodation. 



I just happened to see Dave Thomas, the founder of Wendy's, 

 yesterday in the hotel. He's a non-smoker and he said what's going 

 to happen with all this prohibition of smoking in public places and 

 restaurants. Are they managers or are they policemen? And he's a 

 non-smoker, but he believes his customers who smoke have the 

 right to smoke under the right circumstances, and that's my posi- 

 tion, too. 



Mr. Wyden. The Chain Restaurant Association supports the ef- 

 forts of Mr. Waxman and the other supporters of the bill. Mr. 

 Sandefur? Excuse me. 



Mr. Sandefur. I would suggest that Robert's parents tell him 

 that there are things in life that he's going to come in contact with 

 in growing up that he doesn't have control over, because we live in 

 a free society and we have choices to make and smokers have 

 choices, as well as non-smokers to be around people who smoke. 



Mr. Wyden. What you said is it's more important for smokers to 

 smoke 



Mr. Sandefur. I did not say it was more important. 



Mr. Wyden. But you said if it comes down to it, it's OK to let 

 smokers smoke. So Robert is going to stay home from school be- 

 cause he's sick. I think that's unfortunate, as well. Mr. Johnston? 



Mr. Donald Johnston. I listened carefully, too, to what Robert 

 said and I, too, think it's an issue of accommodation and smokers 

 and non-smokers accommodating each other. 



I'm not convinced that further legislation is required to ensure 

 that accommodation. 



Mr. Wyden. Mr. Chairman, the gentleman from Texas has been 

 very gracious to give me this time. I'd like to hear more about how 

 your accommodations are going to work in the real world? I think 

 what you all have done is reconstructed reality with respect to the 

 smoking situation. The reality is it causes people to get sick. The 

 reality is that it's addictive. The reality is that second-hand smoke 

 is a problem and you've just reconstructed reality to say that this 

 is really no big deal. 



Mr. Waxman. Mr. Wyden, if you'll yield to me or Mr. Bryant will 

 yield just to make one comment. I don't know if you're all aware 

 of the fact that my legislation on environmental tobacco smoke 

 would allow an accommodation for smokers in separately ventilated 

 areas. In that way, the non-smoker is not forced to breathe in the 

 tobacco smoke that's going to be permeating the same room and 

 that a kid like Robert Frenchis is going to have a real difficult time 

 if he's in the room with smokers. 



