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Hill and Knowlton, which of course no one would argue is a sci- 

 entific organization. This was before you were there at the Council. 



At that time, they were spending money on 2 to 3 dozen public 

 relations experts. According to these documents, one of the activi- 

 ties of the Council was to turn obscure research findings that were 

 favorable to the tobacco industry into headline news around the 

 country. 



A good example of this is Exhibit 13, a confidential public rela- 

 tions report on the activities of the Council and I want to read to 

 you from page 6 of this report. "A report from the New Zealand 

 public health official, published in a British medical journal, attrib- 

 uted the increase in lung cancer incidence to air pollution and not 

 to smoking. Advance information of the date of publication was ob- 

 tained from contacts in New Zealand and England when it ap- 

 peared and it was brought to the attention of the United States 

 press. Stories and editorials on it appeared in many newspapers." 



Dr. Glenn, is this activity, encouraging the media to write stories 

 about obscure research favorable to the tobacco industry, a sci- 

 entific activity or public relations activity? 



Mr. Glenn. Mr. Waxman, my answer to that, I have to tell you 

 that in 1954 I was in the Korean War as a flight surgeon so I may 

 not be au courant with what was happening in the press at that 

 time. 



I will say that these documents were not made available to me 

 until this young man began passing them here to the witness table. 

 So I really haven't had a chance to review them and I have had 

 no opportunity to develop any response. 



This is ancient history and I really cannot verify it one way or 

 the other. 



Mr. Waxman. Well, I am asking you from the documents I have 

 described, and I have acknowledged the fact that you were not 

 there, if the Council were working on encouraging writers of news- 

 papers to cite obscure scientific articles and they were trying to get 

 favorable articles written, would you consider that, what I have 

 just described, as scientific research activity or public relations ac- 

 tivity? 



Mr. Glenn. I appreciate the way that you have phrased the 

 question. I was not there. But I can tell you that the Council for 

 Tobacco Research and its research arm have been directed by a Sci- 

 entific Advisory Board of very distinguished people from the begin- 

 ning. 



Mr. Waxman. But I am asking you to answer for me whether you 

 consider the activity I described for you scientific in nature or pub- 

 lic relations in nature? 



Mr. Glenn. Mr. Waxman, the activities of the Scientific Advisory 

 Board and the Council for Tobacco Research have always been 

 dedicated to science. 



Mr. Waxman. Let me 



Mr. Glenn. Whatever activities that may have been accom- 

 plished by Hill and Knowlton are beyond my knowledge or recollec- 

 tion. 



Mr. Waxman. Hill and Knowlton was paid a substantial amount 

 of money by the Council. According to these documents, another ac- 

 tivity of the CTR was to commission free-lance authors to write fa- 



