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tee's handling of such materials provided by the Council. In the interim, I respect- 

 fully request that this letter be included at pages 47 and 106 of the May 26 tran- 

 script. 



Mr. Waxman. Thank you. 



Mr. Bliley. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Last question, Mr. Chairman, if I may. 



I further understand the documents related to CTR special 

 projects research including proposals, interim reports, final reports, 

 and publications have been produced to plaintiffs counsel in discov- 

 ery in some cases. Is that correct? 



Mr. Glenn. That is correct. 



Mr. Bliley. Thank you. Dr. Glenn. 



Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Waxman. Thank you, Mr. Bliley. 



Mr. Sjniar. 



Mr. Synar. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Welcome, Dr. Glenn. Let me go back to something Mr. Waxman 

 was questioning you about. The Wall Street Journal on Thursday, 

 February 11, stated the Council's role has never been just research 

 and it was largely a creature of Hill and Knowlton, the public rela- 

 tions firm. Do you deny that? 



Mr. Glenn. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Synar. How does that square with the fact that in a 1954 

 memo. Exhibit 10 in front of you — do you have it? 



Mr. Glenn. Yes, sir. This is the first time I have seen it, Mr. 

 S3mar. 



Mr. Synar. All right. 



That is interesting, Dr. Glenn. Usually when you take over a cor- 

 poration as someone who is going to run it, one of the first respon- 

 sibilities is to learn the history of the corporation and to learn the 

 corporation's inner workings over the years. You are telling us you 

 have not taken that time to do that? 



Mr. Glenn. Mr. Synar, I have taken over a number of organiza- 

 tions in my career and I am well aware of the procedure. This is 

 a Hill and Knowlton internal document. 



Mr. Synar. But it is from the founder of Hill and Knowlton to 

 the chairman of the CTR. 



The paragraph says, attached are budget estimates for oper- 

 ations of the Tobacco Industry Research Committee during the cal- 

 endar year 1955, which would be the first year of its creation. 



Then it goes into the next paragraph, as you can see, the budget 

 for the stafi" operations provides for 35 different staff members of 

 the Hill and Knowlton Corporation. 



Now, doesn't that fly in the face of your answer to Mr. Waxman 

 that the Hill and Knowlton operation was separate from CTR, since 

 the budget shows that it was fully funded by CTR? 



Mr. Glenn. Mr. Synar, I am not sure of the thrust of your ques- 

 tion. 



Mr. Synar. Were you 



Mr. Glenn. Hill and Knowlton documents are not in our files. 



Mr. Synar. The point is Hill and Knowlton was basically CTR, 

 were they not? 



