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Mr. Glenn. No, sir, on the contrary from the beginning CTR was 

 composed of independent scientists serving on a Scientific Advisory 

 Board. 



Mr. Waxman. If you would yield to me, that document was writ- 

 ten to the head of the Council for Tobacco Research. I don't know 

 why it wouldn't be in your files, but it was written by Hill and 

 Knowlton to your committee and I presume paid for by the Council. 



Mr. Glenn. Mr. Waxman, I think you are presuming a lot. This 

 is a confidential memorandum internal to Hill and Knowlton. It 

 mentions the CTR but it is not in our files and there was no way 

 I can know that nor do I know who paid for this. 



Mr. Waxman. This one does not indicate that it is confidential. 



Mr. Glenn. I am sorry. 



Mr. Waxman. It doesn't indicate 



Mr. Glenn. Are we looking at Exhibit 9? 



Mr. Waxman. No, 10. 



Mr. Synar. Exhibit 10. 



Mr. Glenn. Again, I can't speak to this because I have never 

 seen it until this moment, but it would appear to me to be a Hill 

 and Knowlton internal document. 



Mr. Waxman. Would you confirm for us that Mr. Timothy Hart- 

 nett was the chairman of the Council for Tobacco Research? 



Mr. Glenn. I can't confirm that to you, no, sir. 



Mr. Waxman. Have you ever heard of him? 



Mr. Glenn. No, sir. 



Mr. Waxman. You never heard of him. OK. 



Mr. Synar. 



Mr. Synar. Dr. Glenn, you are proud of your scientists on your 

 board. Have any of these Nobel prize winners done research in the 

 area of tobacco or how it affects health? 



Mr. Glenn. The Nobel prize winners? 



Mr. Synar. Yes, that serve on your board. 



Mr. Glenn. The Nobel prize winners that I mentioned, Mr. 

 Synar, are former grantees of the Council for Tobacco Research. 



Mr. Synar. Let me move on. A review of the Council 



Mr. Waxman. Just before we go too far I do want to indicate for 

 the record that the annual report, 1963-1964, from the scientific di- 

 rector of the Council for Tobacco Research indicates that Timothy 

 V. Hartnett is the chairman, W. T. Howe is the executive director, 

 and Clarence Cook Little is the scientific director. 



Mr. Glenn. I was not aware of Mr. Hartnett. Doctor — Clarence 

 Cook Little was the first scientific director, very distinguished man, 

 president of the University of Minnesota, founded the Bar Harbour 

 Library, credited with establishing the basis for fundamental lab- 

 oratory animal research. 



Mr. Waxman. I am sure Mr. Hartnett was also quite distin- 

 guished. He was chairman of the Council and did receive that 

 memo from Hill and Knowlton. 



Mr. Synar. 



Mr. Synar. Dr. Glenn, answer my question, did any of these 

 grantees, the Nobel prize winning crew, do research on tobacco and 

 how it affects health? 



Mr. Glenn. Mr. Synar, every one of them has done fundamental 

 research to help us understand underlying disease process. 



