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sory Board determined that they had spent several million dollars, 

 it was nonproductive, and they could put the funds to better use 

 in other activities. 



Mr. Greenwood. So it is your testimony that the lawyers from 

 Jacob Mettinger simply were the conveyers of information from the 

 Council to the researchers, that they did not participate in the deci- 

 sion-making mode as to whether the contract would be continued 

 or how the course of the research would go? 



Mr. Glenn. I have no direct knowledge of that. I believe that to 

 be the case. 



Mr. Greenwood. Thank you, Mr, Chairman. 



Mr. Waxman. Thank you, Mr. Greenwood. 



Mr. Wyden. 



Mr. Wyden. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Glenn, do you know a gentleman named Mr. Addison 

 Yeaman? 



Mr. Glenn. No, sir, I don't know him. 



Mr. Wyden. You have no knowledge of him? 



Mr. Glenn. I know of him. I do not know him. 



Mr. Wyden. I thought since you lived in Kentucky and I under- 

 stand he spends a fair amount of time in Kentucky also, that you 

 may have spoken several times over the years? 



Mr. Glenn. No, sir. I have never met Mr. Yeaman, I have never 

 talked to him. 



Mr. Wyden. OK. 



Do you know a woman by the name of Dorothea Cohen? 



Mr. Glenn. I don't know her, Mr. Wyden. She was terminated 

 as a librarian at the Council about the time I joined the Scientific 

 Advisory Board. 



Mr. Wyden. So you have no recollection of any discussions with 

 her on various tobacco issues over the years? 



Mr. Glenn. No, I have never discussed it with her. I am sure the 

 committee knows Ms. Cohen is very ill. 



Mr. Wyden. That is not what I asked you. I wanted to know 

 about two individuals and whether or not you had any discussions 

 with them. The first was Mr. Addison Yeaman. You have told us 

 under oath that you do not know Mr. Yeaman nor have you had 

 any discussions with him. Is that correct? 



Mr. Glenn. That is correct. 



Mr. Wyden. And the same is true for Ms. Cohen? 



Mr. Glenn. That is correct. 



Mr. Wyden. Thank you. 



Could you cite a particular research report funded by your orga- 

 nization which argues there is a causal relationship between to- 

 bacco use and lung cancer? 



Mr. Glenn. Mr. Wyden, I cannot because I cannot accept the 

 causal relationship. Causal relationship in medicine and science is 

 a 1-1 proposition. If one were to encounter the tuber bacillus and 

 they get tuberculosis, that is cause and effect. The industry and the 

 Council for Tobacco Research freely acknowledge the risk factor of 

 smoking. Nobody denies that. We certainly recognize it. 



The vast bulk of our research has been directed towards some 

 disposition of that particular problem. We cannot accept the term 

 "cause" in a scientific sense. 



