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Mr. Wyden. I ask because one would think that as an allegedly 

 objective organization, you might possibly have funded just one 

 paper that argued the kind of causal relationship that virtually 

 every unbiased medical organization in our country argues exists. 



You have told us you have not funded one, and we accept your 

 word. 



Mr. Glenn. Mr. Wyden, I reject the premise that we are a bi- 

 ased — I reject the premise that we are a biased organization. I re- 

 ject the premise that smoking causes cancer. I reject the inference 

 that the purpose of our activities has been to obscure the truth. On 

 the contrary, they have been dedicated to developing scientific 

 truth. 



Mr. Wyden. Well, is it true that you do not agree with all of 

 these organizations? 



Mr. Glenn. No, sir. 



Mr. Wyden. The Surgeon General, the American Medical Asso- 

 ciation, and the World Health Organization have all talked about 

 the causal link between tobacco use and these illnesses. Let me ask 

 you another way since you cannot cite us any report that addresses 

 this causal link. 



What percentage of your recent research has even looked at the 

 causal links between smoking and cardiovascular problems, emphy- 

 sema, and cancer? 



Mr. Glenn. If you accept cause in the lay sense, I would say all 

 of it. If you use the term "cause" in the scientific sense, I would 

 say none of it. 



We are looking for the underlying problems that predispose indi- 

 viduals. For example 



Mr. Wyden. You just said that if you look at it in a scientific 

 sense — these are your words, not mine^and your organization is 

 a scientific organization, you have not done any research to exam- 

 ine these causal links. 



Mr. Glenn. Mr. Wyden, obviously I didn't make my point and I 

 apologize for that. 



Mr. Wyden. Please feel free to elaborate. This is an opportunity 

 for you to set the record straight. 



Mr. Glenn. No one has been able to demonstrate that smoking 

 per se causes any diseases. It is clear that it is a risk factor, and 

 we all knowledge that. Nobody can live in this world today without 

 recognizing that smoking is a risk factor for lung diseases, cardio- 

 vascular diseases, perhaps for many things we don't even know 

 about yet. 



On the other hand, what we have got to find out is why the cell 

 goes wrong. If it is exposed to this environmental agent, tobacco 

 smoke, what makes the cell go wrong? We know, for example, that 

 93 percent of smokers smoke for years never developed any lung 

 disease, 7 percent do. 



Why is there that vast discrepancy? Why do some people escape 

 this injury completely? That really is what we address our research 

 to. 



Mr. Wyden. Do you believe that smoking causes cancer? 



Mr. Glenn. No, sir. 



Mr. Wyden. Do you believe smoking is addictive? 



Mr. Glenn. No, sir. 



