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Mr. Glenn. Mr. Waxman, the special projects were not submit- 

 ted as a regular grant. Therefore, we have no grant application. 

 These were projects that were deemed worthy of pursuit by our 

 sponsor companies. We were asked to be the administrative servic- 

 ing agent only. So we don't have grant applications in the true 

 sense. We know the nature of the project but they do not go 

 through the regular granting process and they do not impact upon 

 our research budget. As I further said, there are no special projects 

 at the present time either. 



Mr. Waxman. I would like to draw your attention to Exhibit 18, 

 if staff would make that available to you. 



This exhibit is a series of letters written from scientists to to- 

 bacco industry lawyers, including the firm of Shook, Hardy & 

 Bacon seeking research grants. For instance, the first letter is from 

 Dr. Eleanor MacDonald. She is submitting a budget to enable her 

 to complete work on environmental factors that cause death, dated 

 June 27, 1977, and she seeks $88,773 to complete the work. 



Did the Council fund these projects after the lawyers approved 

 them? 



Mr. Glenn. Mr. Waxman, this was in 1977 and that precedes my 

 time. These are not records from our files so this is entirely new 

 to me. I really can't comment authoritatively about it. It appears 

 to me to be a letter from an investigator who was accomplishing 

 a special project but that is really all I can tell you. 



Mr. Waxman. We have Exhibit 16 which is the list of CTR spe- 

 cial projects. 



Let's be sure that you have that exhibit. 



The first page exhibits that Dr. Eleanor MacDonald received a 

 grant of $88,773 in August 1977 from the CTR special projects, 2 

 months after she wrote the lawyers at Shook, Hardy & Bacon. One 

 would think either this is a coincidence or demonstrates that law- 

 yers were actually reviewing and approving CTR special projects. 

 What do you think? 



Mr. Glenn. It would not surprise me at all. Attorneys are called 

 upon as expert witnesses and expert investigators all the time. I 

 have been called many times as an expert witness in medical mal- 

 practice actions, and it doesn't surprise me that the attorneys 

 might have recommended a contract with an investigator. 



Mr. Waxman. Why wouldn't the Science Advisory Committee be 

 reviewing this? Why would lawyers be reviewing it? 



Mr. Glenn. Because it is outside the purview of the Scientific 

 Advisory Board. I don't know the nature of the project. I have not 

 seen this document until this moment. 



Mr. Waxman. Of course this is CTR money that is being used to 

 fund the special project. 



Mr. Glenn. It is industry money, Mr. Waxman, and we merely 

 acted as the administrative agent in funding the research. 



The companies and the attorneys I am sure do not have any par- 

 ticular expertise in dealing with university finance offices which 

 are unique. 



Mr. Waxman. Why wouldn't the tobacco companies do this on 

 their own? Why would they use you as an intermediary? Why 

 would they engage in this device? 



