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fied them as CTR documents incorrectly. How do you know it is in- 

 correct? 



Mr. Glenn. It is incorrect, I am advised by our own staff and by 

 counsel that these documents were not CTR documents. 



Mr. Waxman. How do they know? 



Mr. Glenn. How does counsel know? 



Mr. Waxman. How do your staff and your counsel that is advis- 

 ing you know that? 



Mr. Glenn. Mr. Waxman, I don't get the thrust of the question. 

 I am simply stating to you a fact, and these are 



Mr. Waxman. You have told me they have not looked at the doc- 

 uments. Have they or have they not? If they have not, how can 

 they know whether they are CTR documents or not. 



Mr. Glenn. I don't know how counsel can know this, but I accept 

 their reassurance as it stands. They are not our documents. 



Mr. Waxman. Now, if they are your documents, would you urge 

 that we receive them? 



Mr. Glenn. I have no objection one way or the other, Mr. Wax- 

 man. They are not our documents. I will be happy to review the 

 documents if you like and tell you whether or not they are CTR 

 documents piece by piece. 



Mr. Waxman. Well, we would like that and we accept that offer. 

 That would be very helpful. 



And will you ask the tobacco companies, or you obviously asked 

 them for them, ask them to receive those documents so you can re- 

 view them, and then will you submit them to us if they are CTR 

 documents? 



Mr. Glenn. No, sir. I think that is your prerogative, but it is not 

 mine. 



Mr. Waxman. Well, I am asking you to get documents that are 

 CTR documents. 



Mr. Glenn. They are not CTR documents, Mr. Waxman. 



Mr. Waxman. If they are CTR documents after you review them, 

 will you ask the tobacco companies to make them available to us 

 and will you make them available to us? 



Mr. Glenn. Mr. Waxman, I don't have the documents. They are 

 not CTR documents. I don't know where this 1,500 CTR documents 

 business came from. But they are not our documents. 



Mr. Waxman. It comes from the judge in the case. The judge in 

 the case said they had 1,500 CTR documents. 



Mr. Glenn. They are documents that perhaps relate to CTR, but 

 they were not in our files. They are not a part of the CTR records. 

 They are not CTR documents. 



Mr. Waxman. How could they relate to CTR? 



Mr. Glenn. I don't know. 



Mr. Waxman. You just said that you heard that they relate to 

 CTR. 



Mr. Glenn. They may carry a message that says Council for To- 

 bacco Research in it somewhere. I don't know. 



Mr. Waxman. Well, a few minutes ago you told us that your peo- 

 ple did a very careful review of these documents and you know that 

 they are not 



Mr. Glenn. No, I did not say we reviewed. I said we did a careful 

 review of our files and I did a careful inquiry of our staff, and I 



