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also submitted the question to counsel, and I am reassured by ev- 

 eryone that none of the alleged documents are from our files. They 

 may relate to CTR, but they are certainly from someone else's files. 



Mr. Waxman. If they do relate to CTR and you then find that 

 to be the case, will you submit them to this committee? 



Mr. Glenn. I don't have the documents, Mr. Waxman. 



Mr. Waxman. Well, you are going to ask the tobacco companies 

 for the documents. 



Mr. Glenn. No, sir, I am not. That is not my prerogative. 



Mr. Waxman. Then how are you going to review them for us? 



Mr. Glenn. I will be glad to if you will submit them to me. 



Mr. Waxman. Well, I don't want to play games with you. 



Mr. Glenn. I am not playing games. 



Mr. Waxman. You just said a few minutes ago that you will re- 

 view the documents and if they are CTR documents, you will sub- 

 mit them to us. How are you going to review these documents? I 

 presume you will ask the tobacco companies for them. 



Mr. Glenn. I assumed that you would submit them to me. I 

 would be happy 



Mr. Waxman. Why would you presume that? 



Mr. Glenn. From your statement, Mr. Waxman. 



Mr. Waxman. My statement was that I was going to submit doc- 

 uments to you? My statement was, will you ask the tobacco compa- 

 nies for these documents. 



Mr. Glenn. And I said no, I will not ask the tobacco companies 

 for the documents; I think that is your prerogative. The documents 

 are not my documents, and they are the property of someone else. 



Mr. Waxman. You don't know whether they are your documents 

 or not. 



Mr. Wyden? 



Mr. Wyden. Thank you. If you will just excuse me, I think this 

 is an area maybe we can resolve this way. Do you consider these 

 documents relating to special projects part of CTR files? 



Mr. Glenn. I don't know which documents you are talking about, 

 Mr. Wyden. If there are documents in our files relating to special 

 projects, we will be happy to provide them. 



Mr. Wyden. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Waxman. Dr. Glenn, do you know whether these 1,500 docu- 

 ments exist? 



Mr. Glenn. No, sir, I frankly do not. 



Mr. Waxman. OK. You indicated to me a few minutes ago you 

 are going to review them one by one and see whether they are CTR 

 documents. 



Mr. Glenn. I would be glad to if you would submit them to me. 



Mr. Waxman. Well, you know, this is a key point. These docu- 

 ments, 1,500 documents, are being kept from the public. I don't 

 know whether they have been kept from you, but they relate to 

 you, they have been described as CTR documents and I think that 

 once they are known to the public, they are going to be pretty 

 damning. 



Now I don't see you willing to cooperate with us in getting those 

 documents. Are you willing to ask the tobacco companies to clear 

 your organization? To give Congress the information that the pub- 

 lic ought to have, or are we being stonewalled and being told we 



