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are not going to get the documents because you are not willing to 

 help us get those documents presuming you don't already have 

 them and you are just refusing to give them to us? 



Mr. Glenn. Mr. Waxman, let me be as plain as I can. The docu- 

 ments are not CTR documents to my knowledge. I do not have ac- 

 cess to the so-called 1,500 documents. They are the property of 

 someone else. I don't know whose property they may be. I have not 

 seen the 1,500 documents; I would be happy to review them if you 

 submit them to me and tell you whether or not they relate to inter- 

 nal activities of the CTR. But I think — other than that, I really can 

 shed no light on the issue for you. 



Mr. Waxman. Well, Dr. Glenn, let me just tell you, I am going 

 to submit some questions to you for the record and we may have 

 to have an additional hearing on this very point. 



I want to ask you about special accounts. In preparing for this 

 hearing, we have discovered references to a CTR account called 

 Special Account Number 5. Does this account support scientific re- 

 search, and who has or had control over this account, and will you 

 provide the subcommittee with a list of the individuals who re- 

 ceived funding from this account, the amount of funding, and the 

 purpose of funding? 



Mr. Glenn. We will. 



Mr. Waxman. Can you answer any of those questions now? 



Mr. Glenn. I have no idea what Special Account Number 5 is, 

 Mr. Waxman. 



Mr. Waxman. OK. Well, we believe this was a lawyer-adminis- 

 tered special projects fund, but we will get a chance to find out 

 whether that is accurate or not when you submit it to us. 



I would like to know what is Special Account Number 4. Does 

 this account support scientific research? Who has or had control 

 over this account? And will you provide the subcommittee with a 

 list of the individuals who received funding from the account, the 

 amount of funding and the purpose of funding? 



Mr. Glenn. We will, and we will cooperate with you. Would you 

 identify what special account 4 and 5 might be? I don't know. 



Mr. Waxman. Well, we will try to provide further clarification 

 and ask you to cooperate with us. 



[The following information was received:] 



I was asked on May 26 to provide information about "Special Account Number 

 4" and "Special Account Number 5." No such accounts are currently maintained by 

 or for the Council, and so far as we can determine no such accounts have ever been 

 maintained by or for the Council. 



I respectfully request that this letter be included in the record. 



Mr. Waxman. Well, Dr. Glenn, I thank you for your presentation 

 here today, and as I indicated, we may have you back. 



But let me just review what I think we have learned today, not 

 just from your testimony, but from documents that we have put on 

 the record. 



The Council for Tobacco Research was started by public relations 

 people, conducted public relations activities such as promoting re- 

 search results favorable to the tobacco companies. It funded special 

 projects, but did not control the selection. It acknowledged that to- 

 bacco companies selected and controlled the special projects. It ac- 



