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Mr. BiLlRAKlS. Have you come to a conclusion? I have never 

 smoked in my life. I don't have any idea in the world how the 

 smoke affects an individual here. I am trying to learn here. I don't 

 know whether you have ever smoked. 



Mr. Kessler. I smoked a pipe for a little bit. 



Mr. BiLlRAKiS. Have you come to a conclusion? You have shown 

 this chart to us, "Percent estimate of all users who are addicted," 

 and yet you don't have a source. 



Mr. KESSLER. We would be happy to provide that. You can see 

 my last testimony had an excess of 70 footnotes. There is no short- 

 age of footnotes. I can assure you that kind of information from the 

 scientific community 



Mr. BILIRAXIS. Dr. Kessler, you have appeared before this com- 

 mittee so many times and we have talked to you one on one. Your 

 testimony is tempered by virtue of the fact that you have come in 

 here with testimony which would indicate completely one way inso- 

 far as this issue is concerned. 



You haven't come in with any testimony the other way, whether 

 it be 90 percent here and 10 percent the other way. It is all one 

 way, and yet you say you can't give us information and yet you say 

 the investigation is continuing. 



You have come to conclusions which would indicate a completed 

 investigation and yet you say the investigation is continuing. 

 Maybe that is not your fault because you have been called in here 

 to testify, but you certainly have not made it clear that 



Mr. Kessler. Let me make it clear, if I can. Congressman, so we 

 can end the confusion, where I think there are conclusions that 

 have been reached and where there are not conclusions that have 

 been reached. On scientific conclusions, things that are in the med- 

 ical literature, for example, the issue of whether nicotine is addict- 

 ive. When you have every medical organization saying it is addict- 

 ive, yes, I think that you have a consensus and you have the con- 

 clusion that nicotine is addictive. 



The questions for which we do not have a conclusion today, but 

 which is before the agency, is whether nicotine, as you look at that 

 definition of a drug — an article intended to affect the structure and 

 function — whether nicotine-containing cigarettes meet that defini- 

 tion. 



That is an issue for which there is no conclusion as I sit here be- 

 fore you today and one for which we are asking your guidance. 



Mr. Greenwood. Will the gentleman yield? 



Mr. Hastert. I yield to the gentleman. 



Mr. Greenwood. Dr. Kessler, will you provide the minority 

 members of this committee all of the documents that you have pro- 

 vided to the chairman and his staff or other majority members of 

 this committee with regard to this investigation? 



Mr. Kessler. We certainly will treat absolutely both sides the 

 same. 



Mr. Greenwood. I am asking you to supply me a copy of every 

 document that you have supplied the chairman with regard to this 

 investigation. Will you do that today? 



Mr. Kessler. I have no problem suppljdng documents fairly 

 across the board. I think that is absolutely certain. 



