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I would ask the committee and the Chair that if you want to ver- 

 ify something in 



Mr. Greenwood. I am asking you a very specific question. 



Mr. Kessler. And the answer to that question: Absolutely we 

 will treat 



Mr. Greenwood. Listen. I would like you to supply to my office 

 within the next 48 hours a copy of every document that you have 

 supplied to the chairman and his staff with regard to this inves- 

 tigation. This is not a prospective question. 



Mr. Kessler. Absolutely. 



Mr. Greenwood. Thank you. 



Mr. Waxman. The gentleman's time has expired. 



Let me assure all the members of this subcommittee that I didn't 

 get any documents that you didn't also get. The members have had 

 them available to them. 



Second, I want to — I am just sort of amazed at the attitude of 

 the members here. I don't want information that is confidential 

 from Dr. Kessler. I don't want to hurt — I don't want to hurt the 

 whistleblowers in coming to him and getting information and get- 

 ting the facts out. And I would hope that members of this sub- 

 committee would feel the same way that we want to get the facts 

 and get them on the record and we want to get them in a way that 

 will enable people to feel that they can come forward, sometimes 

 taking a risk, and talk to Dr. Kessler or any other Agency of the 

 government in confidence. 



If they talk to Dr. Kessler in confidence, he is going to respect 

 that vis-a-vis all of the members of this subcommittee. 



Mr. Greenwood. If the chairman will allow, the problem is that 

 our staff has told us that they have not been able to obtain infor- 

 mation from Dr. Kessler's people that your people have been able 

 to obtain. 



Mr. Waxman. I think your staff is misrepresenting to you the re- 

 ality of the situation. We did not get Dr. Kessler's testimony until 

 late yesterday. As soon as we got it 



Mr. Greenwood. We are not talking about testimony. 



Mr. Waxman. In terms of any documents, any documents I have 

 received, your staff has received on the minority side, other mem- 

 bers have received as well. 



Mr. BiLlRAKis. Will the gentleman yield? 



Mr. Chairman, you haven't said whether you would yield. 



Mr. Waxman. I am not going to yield and I want my second 

 round and I am going to go around and others can jump in and say 

 what they want to say. 



OK I am going to yield. 



Mr. BiLlRAKls. Dr. Kessler has emphasized that he would furnish 

 the chairman with information. He has emphasized that. He said 

 it more than once. So you know that I think any reasonable person 

 could conclude that some information has been furnished to the 

 chairman that hasn't been furnished to the others and will con- 

 tinue to be. 



Mr. Waxman. He has said that if there is something of a sen- 

 sitive nature that he is willing to talk to the members of the com- 

 mittee to verify a statement that he made and why he has come 

 to that conclusion, but he does not want to submit documents — is 



