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Mr. Sandefur. Yes. I might correct you on one part of the state- 

 ment, though, Congressman Bliley. The FDA or the government 

 didn't ask us to develop this. There was suggestions that this may 

 be a way to make or improve a cigarette. That was why we pur- 

 sued it. This was not only being done by suggestions being made 

 by the different Federal agencies here in the United States, but the 

 Hunter Committee in the United Kingdom had made the same type 

 of suggestions. G.O. Gorey, for years, has made these types of sug- 

 gestions, so we were interested in pursuing it. That's why we pur- 

 sued it. 



Mr. Bliley. Who is G.O. Gorey? 



Mr. Sandefur. G.O. Gorey is a scientist, a well-known scientist 

 who has done a lot of work in the area of smoking and health. 



Mr. Bliley. Did he work for the government or was he in the 

 private sector? 



Mr. Sandefur. I believe that one time Dr. Gorey was, in fact, 

 employed by the government. He has also been very helpful to my 

 company on a — ^from a time-to-time basis as a consultant. 



Mr. Bliley. You said in your testimony that you introduced Y- 

 1 into a tobacco blend but that the nicotine levels remained about 

 the same. 



Mr. Sandefur. That's correct in terms of 



Mr. Bliley. Now, what percentage did you put in the cigarette? 



Mr. Sandefur. Well, as it turned out, when we commercialized 

 it and we did, we put it in for a time in Viceroy and some of our 

 Richland styles, it was only on a weight basis it was 10 percent. 



Now, we tested a much higher level of this leaf I think in the 

 range of 30 percent. 



Mr. Bliley. Why didn't you use it? 



Mr. Sandefur. Well, the consumer rejected it. The consumer 

 found it to be very harsh and irritating and we said, look, it was 

 a good idea but the consumer rejected it and I don't want you to 

 think that when I say we put 30 percent in it and the nicotine 

 went up threefold, that's not the case. We had 30 percent leaf and 

 we used Y-1 as a blending tool. We were able to deliver essentially 

 the same nicotine level on a per cigarette basis by using the Y-1. 



Mr. Bliley, In your Viceroy cigarettes, roughly how many dif- 

 ferent blends of tobacco do you use? 



Mr. Sandefur. Well, I believe in — I'm guessing now, I don't 

 want 



Mr. Bliley. But it is several. 



Mr. Sandefur. OK. There would be several, yes, sir. I would sug- 

 gest that we probably have one for the king size — what we call the 

 full flavor and one for the lights, but I don't want anyone to think 

 that would be the case with my other blends. 



For instance, we have — we have products that we will use the 

 same blend for the full flavor, the lights or the ultra lights and we 

 use filtration to deliver the tar and nicotine levels, 



Mr. Bliley. We were told that you manipulate the cigarette. Is 

 it not true that the Federal Trade Commission samples your ciga- 

 rettes all the time just like it does everybody else's? 



Mr. Sandefur, We — I don't believe the Federal Trade Commis- 

 sion today, in fact, picks cigarettes up and tests them. I may be 

 wrong on that. But I can tell you that we are under the jurisdiction 



