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Mr. Bryant. They disagree with your representation of what 

 took place in that meeting. My next question would have been, 

 what was your answer to those questions, but you say the question 

 wasn't asked, so I will ask that question. 



Mr. Sandefur, you said cigarettes are not addictive and you also 

 said that there are no pharmacological effects in the use of ciga- 

 rettes, that is to say, from nicotine. There is a stack of studies indi- 

 cating that there are pharmacological effects, as the chairman re- 

 ferred to in his questioning a few moments ago. Do you have stud- 

 ies that indicate there are no pharmacological effects from nicotine? 



Mr. Sandefur. Congressman Bryant, I rely on my scientists to 

 give me input on that subject and they advise me that they agree 

 that nicotine is not addictive. 



Mr. Bryant. I asked about the pharmacological effects of nico- 

 tine. Leaving aside the question of addiction, you have made clear 

 your opinion about that, with which I disagree. But, with regard 

 to pharmacological effects, there is a stack of studies that indicate 

 that there are significant dramatic pharmacological effects as a re- 

 sult of nicotine entering the body through the smoking. You say, 

 I'm not clear about your position on that. I think you said that 

 there is no pharmacological effects a few moments ago. 



Mr. Sandefur. I don't think I said that. Congressman. If I did, 

 I misspoke. 



Mr. Bryant. Well, then I would ask you to answer that question. 



Mr. Sandefitr. I don't know the answer to that question. The 

 studies say what the studies say. I can tell you that my scientists, 

 after reviewing all the research, tell me that they don't believe that 

 nicotine is adcuctive. 



Mr. Bryant. But you are obscuring my question, my question is 

 not about addiction. 



Mr. Sandefur. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Bryant. We have already argued about that one. My ques- 

 tion is about pharmacological effects which include a variety of 

 things such as feeling more relaxed, and a variety of feelings that 

 are discussed in these studies. That's the effect a drug has on a 

 person. 



Any type of drug has some type of a pharmacological effect. All 

 of the studies seem to indicate that nicotine has that effect. My 

 question is: Does your company have studies that indicate it does 

 not have pharmacological effects? 



Mr. Sandefur. I don't — I can't answer the question. I don't 

 know. 



Mr. Waxman. Would the gentleman yield to me? 



Mr. Bryant. Yes, I would yield. 



Mr. Waxman. You submitted, I presume, all the studies in your 

 files? 



Mr. Sandefur. Absolutely, you are right. You are right, Mr. 

 Chairman. If we had the study, you have it. 



Mr. Waxman. So you rely on your scientists. If all of your sci- 

 entists' studies over the decade say that nicotine has a pharma- 

 cological effect, wouldn't you rely on that conclusion to be correct? 



Mr. Sandefur. Depending on which scientist that we are talking 

 about. 



Mr. Waxman. How about the ones that work for you? 



