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Mr. Waxman [continuing], when you take the tar out, doesn't the 

 nicotine drop? 



Mr. Sandefur. The 



Mr. Waxman. That's been your testimony. 



Mr. Sandefur. The filtration system does take out tar and nico- 

 tine. 



Mr. Waxman. If the tar is reduced and the nicotine is reduced 

 as well, don't you blend in order to control the nicotine levels and 

 have them where they otherwise would have been? Or higher than 

 they would have been if they were removed when the tar as re- 

 moved? 



Mr. Sandefur. We blend in terms of quality control to allow us 

 to meet specific tar and nicotine deliveries that we report to the 

 FTC. 



Mr. Bliley. I ask a point of inquiry, Mr. Chairman. Who has the 

 time? 



Mr. Waxman. Mr. Bryant's time is expired and, Mr. Bryant, did 

 you have one last word because I did interrupt you? 



Mr. Bryant. I think there was more than a last word. 



Mr. Waxman. We will wait until the second round. 



Mr. Sandefur. Mr. Chairman, I would like to take a break, if 

 I might. 



Mr. Waxman. That's fine. Let's take a break for 5 minutes. 



Mr. Sandefur. Five minutes. Thank you. 



[Brief recess.] 



Mr. Waxman. The meeting of the subcommittee will come back 

 to order. 



Mr. Bilirakis, I want to recognize you for your turn. 



Mr. Bilirakis. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Sandefur, there is not much question, I guess, that this hear- 

 ing is about further additional regulation of the tobacco industry. 

 You have called it back door prohibition of tobacco sales. And I am 

 not sure that anybody in this committee could honestly disagree 

 with that. 



You've also emphasized in your testimony, and I am glad that 

 you did because I'm not sure how many members of the committee 

 were aware of it, how heavily regulated, and you call it the most 

 regulated in United States commerce and you've referred to the fol- 

 lowing agencies regulate tobacco products or have issued reports 

 which have the same impacts of regulation the USDA Department 

 of Agriculture Bureau of Alcohol, 'Tobacco, and Firearms, Federal 

 Trade Commission, et cetera, et cetera, OSHA, EPA, HHS, 

 Consumer Product Safety Commission, including the National In- 

 stitute of Standards and Technology and the Surgeon General. 



I wonder if — and I think that's very significant because there is 

 no question that in the minds of many members of this committee, 

 we are talking about further regulation. 



And I just wonder if the committee adequately knows how much 

 it already is regulated. So could you in writing furnish to the com- 

 mittee within a week further details about the — then you went on 

 also to talk about very interesting every State, various counties, 

 local municipalities, et cetera, et cetera. 



I would personally like to see that and I think that every mem- 

 ber of the committee is open minded enough to pay attention to 



