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is happening and that you have this information, at least as of that 

 time the people in charge had that information. 



Do you think that was responsible? 



Mr. Sandefur. Mr. Chairman, I can see how you would be con- 

 cerned about that and what — and the quandary that this issue 

 raises, but I can tell you that the research that you are referring 

 to was done by a sister company. Yes, it was in our files 



Mr. Waxman. Mr. Sandefur, I am not going to let you get away 

 with that. You are part and parcel of British-American Tobacco. 

 You shared the research bucket with them. Your company partici- 

 pates in all their research conferences, your scientists were report- 

 ing and I assume to the whole family because, after all, you sent 

 it to us. We didn't get it from British-American Tobacco in London 

 someplace, we got it from you, wherever your headquarters were. 

 Wherever it was stored, it was from you to this committee. 



And you evidently didn't read these things, but what do you 

 think about your predecessor who presumably did read about it, 

 who presumably knew what was going on, because CEO's are sup- 

 posed to know what goes on in their business, hearing from the sci- 

 entists that tumors are being caused by this tobacco condensate at 

 the same time that CEO was managing a campaign called, 

 euphemistically, Project Truth, to say none of this is true? What do 

 you think of somebody who would do that? 



Mr. Sandefur. I really can't speculate 



Mr. Waxman. What do you mean "speculate?" Would you do 

 something like that? 



Mr. Sandefur. No, sir. If I were convinced and if my scientists 

 told me and I was convinced that this was in fact the case, I would 

 make that publicly known. But, you know, Mr. Chairman, as far 

 as I'm concerned, this is a moot point because the Congress of the 

 United States has already decided that the way that we are going 

 to warn the American smoker, the American public is through the 

 warning statements on the pack, and the warning statements says 

 smoking causes lung cancer. 



Mr. Waxman. Mr. Sandefur, I am going to interrupt because I do 

 have a limited period of time. I'm trying to figure out what kind 

 of responsibility the chief executive officers of tobacco companies 

 have when they know that there are scientific substitutes that they 

 are sponsoring that give them information about a danger to public 

 health and at the same time they are saying to people that there 

 is no danger. 



Well, do you believe this information now that cigarette smoking 

 causes these tumors? 



Mr. Sandefur. I would — as I have just testified, I would make 

 that public. I really can't speak for what other CEO's might or 

 might not have done. 



Mr. Waxman. In the April 14 hearing. Congressman Synar asked 

 you to provide the subcommittee with copies of all animal studies 

 you had done. In your response, you said, "we have not done any 

 animal research." 



How can you make that statement in light of this Janus study? 



Mr. Sandefur. I would — I would suggest to you, Mr. Chairman, 

 that I said my company would cooperate. 



Mr. Waxman. You said your company didn't do any 



